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If Secession Was Illegal - then How Come...?
The Patriotist ^ | 2003 | Al Benson, Jr.

Posted on 06/12/2003 5:58:28 AM PDT by Aurelius

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To: Aurelius; lentulusgracchus; Non-Sequitur
[Aurelius] I don't think you can expect "getting real" from the likes of Non-Sequitur.

Remember the Wlat Brigade translation table.

Conservatives are really Socialists.
Conservatives are Classical Liberals.

With that in mind.

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Liberals are fanatical liars, then as now. ... Unless we fight for proper treatment of history ... no history can be safe from the liberal noise machine. Someday, school children will be taught that all of America cringed with terror at Ken Starr, whose evil designs on the nation were frustrated only through the sacrifice of brave liberals. ... Bill Clinton will be revered in high school history books as the George Washington of his day who, along with patriots Larry Flynt and James Carville, "saved the Constitution."

~ Ann Coulter ~

June 25, 2003

2,021 posted on 07/31/2003 5:30:33 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan; Aurelius; lentulusgracchus; stand watie; Gianni; GOPcapitalist; 4ConservativeJustices
Aurelius; lentulusgracchus; stand watie; Gianni; GOPcapitalist; 4ConservativeJustices

LIBERAL HISTORY

The poetry of this story brought tears to my eyes. I just had to share. It is extraordinarily authoritative and documented. It is by Dr. Farber, Professor of Law at U.C. Berkeley, and is even footnoted.

LINCOLN'S CONSTITUTION
Daniel Farber, 2003, page 8, Chapter 1

The Civil War began in the chilly morning hours of April 12, 1861, when a Confederate battery opened fire on Fort Sumter.

* * *

The early morning shots of April 12 began the bloodiest war in American history. It was four years to the day later when Major Anderson ran the U.S. flag back up at Sumter. In the meantime, the world had forever changed. "By then," in the words of a leading historian, "[s]lavery was dead; secession was dead; and six hundred thousand men were dead." "That," he added, "was the basic balance sheet of the sectional conflict."2

Later that same day, April 12, 1865, yet another price was added to that balance sheet. As the war had begun with the death of a single individual, so it would end. That evening, just about the time Major Anderson toasted the president of the United States, John Wilkes Booth entered the presidential box at Ford's Theater. By the next morning, Lincoln was dead."3

Footnotes:

1. David Detzer, Allegiance: Fort Sumter, Charleston, and the Beginning of the Civil War (New York: Harcourt, 2001), Detzer provides a good blow-by-blow acocunt of events in South Carolina, though less information about developments in Washington.
2. David Potter, The Impending Crisis, 1848-1861 (New York, Harber and Row, 1976), 583. Potter's book is indispensable reading on the background of the war.
3. See Detzer, Allegiance, 320

2,022 posted on 07/31/2003 5:50:02 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
How long have you been talking to yourself like this?
2,023 posted on 07/31/2003 6:31:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nolu chan
Abe did not have any U.S. money. He only had a Confederate five dollar bill in his wallet. Deal with it.

The wallet also contained a pencil, and news clippings of unrest in the Confederate army, emancipation in Missouri, the Union party platform of 1864, and an article on the presidency by John Bright. Those items had more monetary value than the confederate fiver.

2,024 posted on 07/31/2003 6:33:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nolu chan
If you want disinformation, just get lost in thought. Of course, for you thought seems an impossible effort.

If it is disinformation I seek then I need look no further than your latest, interminable post on FreeRepublic. They also serve for comic relief so you should be proud that the stuff you poop out serves a dual purpose.

2,025 posted on 07/31/2003 6:37:06 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nolu chan
I don't hate Lincoln. He was a race hustling pimp who used the race issue for political gain. He was a political whore who would espouse any position his audience of the moment favored. In philosophy, the president most like Lincoln was Clinton. Their shared philosophy was to do what was best for the greatest number. They each defined the greatest number as number one.

Sure you don't. I've no doubt that Dr. Bennett would deny being a Lincoln Loather, too. But I think that the body of your work speaks for itself.

2,026 posted on 07/31/2003 6:39:44 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
[n-s] I think that the body of your work speaks for itself.

The body of your work says nothing at all.

2,027 posted on 07/31/2003 7:31:25 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: Non-Sequitur
[Non-Seq] How long have you been talking to yourself like this?

You are the one who called me.

2,028 posted on 07/31/2003 7:33:18 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: Non-Sequitur
Abe did not have any U.S. money. He only had a Confederate five dollar bill in his wallet. Deal with it.

2,029 posted on 07/31/2003 7:34:55 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
Abe did not have any U.S. money. He only had a Confederate five dollar bill in his wallet. Deal with it.

I don't have a problem dealing with it and for the life of me I can't imagine the significance. If you are suggesting that Lincoln was some sort of closet confederate then do you suppose that would account for what you see were his racist beliefs?

2,030 posted on 07/31/2003 7:40:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: nolu chan
You are the one who called me.

Yeah, and I'm sorry I did respond to that particular post. You seemed to be having so much fun playing with yourself that I'm sorry I interrupted. But while I have your attention, was Jefferson Davis a racist? Yes or no?

2,031 posted on 07/31/2003 7:41:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
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Side by Side comparison of Abraham Lincoln and Wesley Enloe

"It is said anyone who saw Wesley Enloe, son of Abraham Enloe and half-brother of President Lincoln, was struck by the resemblance of one to the other as can be seen in this one-of-a-kind photographic comparison."

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A Challenge to Abraham Lincoln's Ancestry

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The Abraham Lincoln Genesis Coverup by Vincent Enlow (13-page PDF file)

2,032 posted on 07/31/2003 7:52:16 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
The body of your work says nothing at all.

I'll grant that my body of work is nowhere near as...long as yours is. But if your statement is true then I can at least say that I've killed far fewer electrons saying nothing than you have. Saying nothing in 500 lines doesn't automatically grant you credibility except with those without the patience to weed through your slop but merely accept it at face value.

2,033 posted on 07/31/2003 7:53:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Does the following quote from Alexander Hamilton, taken from a series of such letters, change whatever value you place on the ideas of your favorite Founding Father? Do you wish you had the talent to write Hamiltonian love letters?

Cold in my professions, warm in my friendships, I wish, my Dear Laurens, it might be in my power, by action rather than words to convince you that I love you. I shall only tell you that 'til you bade us Adieu, I hardly knew the value you had taught my heart to set upon you. Indeed, my friend, it was not well done. You know the opinion I entertain of mankind, and how much it is my desire to preserve myself free from particular attachments, and to keep my happiness independent of the caprice of others. You should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent. But as you have done it,and as we are generally indulgent to those we love, I shall not scruple to pardon the fraud you have committed, on condition that for my sake, if not for your own, you will always continue to merit the partiality, which you have artfully instilled into me.
~ Alexander Hamilton ~

2,034 posted on 07/31/2003 7:55:07 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: Non-Sequitur
and your point is???

free dixie,sw

2,035 posted on 07/31/2003 7:56:57 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Negro equality, Fudge!! How long in the Government of a God great
enough to make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue to be
knaves to vend and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?"

Abraham Lincoln 1859 [Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln, Vol III,
pp 399, Basler, ed.]

2,036 posted on 07/31/2003 7:59:46 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan
Side by Side comparison of Abraham Lincoln and Wesley Enloe

Good God, you are getting more and more pathetic by the moment. I'm surprised you haven't dredged this up before. But let me ask you this, Abe Lincoln had an older sister, Sarah. Was Enloe her father, too?

So was Davis racist or not?

2,037 posted on 07/31/2003 8:04:43 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
was slavery worse than the HOLOCAUST in your opinion?????

free dixie,sw

2,038 posted on 07/31/2003 8:06:39 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistence to tyrants is obedience to God. -Thomas Jefferson)
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To: nolu chan
Negro equality, Fudge!!

Sounds like something Davis would say, doesn't it?

2,039 posted on 07/31/2003 8:07:41 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
was slavery worse than the HOLOCAUST in your opinion?????

Personally I wouldn't have compared the two. Both were grave injustices in their own ways. But then I don't read Lerone Bennett and I don't use his works to support my position. So that question would be more correctly directed to nolu chan.

2,040 posted on 07/31/2003 8:09:21 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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