STATE DEPT'S MUSLIM WEBSITE

Jon Christian Ryter [email list] ^ | 11 June 2003 | Jon Christian Ryter

[Mortimer Snavely]

There are very many reasons to complain about the current occupant of the White House. When combat's really hot, we tend to slack off out of respect for the troops.

The only way to keep Islam and free society together is to keep Islamists under close observation and then step on them with security forces whenever they even appear to be too big for their britches.

This "religion of peace" nonsense and accomodation of it is doomed to fail. Islamism is a totalitarian ideology, and to treat it as anything else threatens our country and the entire civilized world.

[Mortimer Snavely]

"...honoring a valid religion's adherent's 1st Amendment right to the free exercise of their religion in America."

Honor any other totalitarian ideology and you'll get exactly the same result.

[nopardons]

Yes, there ARE reasons to complain about some things that President Bush has done/said ; however, the person I was replying to, has NEVER been anything but totally against EVERYTHING he has ever said/done. Ergo, NONE of his fulminations are credible; even when one or two might be.

There have been Muslims living in this country for a very long time. We aren't a theocracy, we have NO " state " religion, and we can't round up every person who belongs to any religion or sect or cult, just because someone/s somewhere, who belongs to that religion/sect/cult does something against us. That the Islamonazis are a threat, is without a doubt. That we should and ARE keeping close tabs on them is a fact and rightly so. We've jailed some, thrown some out, and have / are still investigating the bejebus out of many.

There are secular Christians, secular Jews, and secular Muslims. There are religious Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Then, there are fanatics ... of all stripes.

[RLK]

And YOU complain about President Bush,at EVERY turn, no matter what the reason.

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Examine the substance of the complaints instead of just the fact I complain.

[nopardons]

I have; for years.

[RLK]

I have no intention of being a mind-numbed high school cheering section for the Bushs. If they want anything from me, they will need to earn it. They haven't earned it.

[Susannah]

There are secular Christians, secular Jews, and secular Muslims. There are religious Christians, Jews, and Muslims. Then, there are fanatics ... of all stripes.

Exactly! A religion that would use portions of the Holy Bible could be very scary. When I think about some of the scriptures in Deuteronomy, for one example.

[RLK]

That kid's in good hands. She'll make a real man of him --the kind of obsessed man who will groe up angry at everything. --and so... the torch is passed.

[weegee]

This page on the State Deparment's site calls it an "Official Recognition" (see the green box over the photos and the subpage html name of official1.htm).

[Imagine]

Can Do! Will require the imposition of martial law and the declaration that islam is a hate and murder cult. Frankly, I don't care if a lot of muslims are American born, that doesn't give you the privledge to join a hate cult, claim it is a "religion," seek the overthrow/transformation of America and then claim your "rights" under the constitution.Let the deportation begin. My patience is wearing thin for those who insist that we have to submit to the muslim avalance.

[Risa]

>>I assume you are aware Bush called Islam a religion of prace<<

Yes, and when he did so from the Islamic Center of Washington, on 17 Sept. 2001, a whole cadre of Wahhabi extremists stood with him, severely undermining the President's efforts.

I believe President Bush meant well and didn't know he was sharing the television screen with a bunch of Saudi-backed, terrorist-supporting extremists (Wahhabis lobby).

I read that Grover Norquist was responsible for bringing Bush together with these self-appointed representatives of American Islam on that day. Old Grover is known for an incapacity to distinguish between the defense of extremism (totalitarianism and terrorism) and the normal Muslim activities, political and otherwise. In fact, in America, we mostly hear from the Wahhabis, extremists who claim their version of Islam is the only version.

[Risa]

>>Isn't it funny how they manage to find every little Ten Commandments display in B.F.E., but are completely silent when it is Islam that is promoted in the public square?<<

The Web site is one of the many signs of the enormous success that the Saudi-backed Wahhabi extremist movement has had in colonizing America. (This is their aim, and they are colonizing all over the world, bringing their violent, perverted, exclusionary version of Islam with them).

All the Muslim schools in the U.S., the 1,200 officially recognized mosques, the Wahabbi lobbying groups, such as MPAC, Islamic Institute, CAIR, AMC, and ISNA and hundreds of millions of Saudi-oil dollars are part of the the Wahhabi political effort to gain a foothold in our country.

It's astonishing how easily they dupe American politicians, inept journalists and multiculturalist academics and liberals.

[Risa]

>>How fortunate for ideologues that all they have to complain about are some State Dept. webpages honoring a valid religion's adherent's 1st Amendment right to the free exercise of their religion in America. <<

This thread is not about ideology. Saudi-backed Wahhabi extremism has been gaining a strong foothold in America for a number of years. Astute Americans perceive that this violent, perverted form of Islam is a threat to American democracy and to the safety of both traditional-muslim and non-muslim U.S. citizenry.

Too bad for the Wahhabis that not all Americans can be as easily duped as the guilt-ridden multiculturalist crowd, our substandard jounralists, and confused or corrupt politicians.

[Risa]

>>our substandard jounralists, and confused or corrupt politicians<<

I meant 'journalists.'

sry.

[Risa]

>>declaration that islam is a hate and murder cult. <<

I once thought the same, until a Free Republic poster pointed out that he knew some very decent Muslim-Americans, one a friend who was fighting in Iraq at the time.

So, I began to read extensively to try to sort out which Muslims we should listen to and which we need to fear.

It is true that face of Islam that we see most often in America is the Saudi-backed Wahhabi extremist one. These groups mean great harm to American citizens, both non-Wahhabi Muslims and non-Muslims.

Saudi oil money funds the Wahhabi extremists who build the mosques, provide endowments to major universities, and build Muslim schools and cultural institutions in America.

But there are silent Muslims, too, in America, who left politics behind when they got here. And The Wahhabis do everything possible to keep non-Wahhabi Muslims silent, too.

We need to protest loudly about the Wahhabis in America, and possibly other violent, totalitarian groups, but not all Muslims. Removing all Muslims would make us as totalitarian-minded as the Wahhabis themselves.

As an aside, one way to cut Wahhabi and other terrorist funding would be to wipe out the Saudi oil wealth by buying Iraq oil exclusively. I hope to see this day.

[Principled]

But there are silent Muslims, too,

It is the silence of the allegedly peaceful muslims that is indeed deafening.

[Chi-Town Lady]

"It's astonishing how easily they dupe American politicians, inept journalists and multiculturalist academics and liberals."

Personally I don't think they dupe anyone. It's the flow of money. Ever seen a politician that would pass some up?

By the way, I noticed yesterday on Fox News that they are again running those horrid "Saudi's are our friends" commercial. I personally think Fox needs a freepin!

[RLK]

I believe President Bush meant well and didn't know...

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Meaning well doesn't help if you are half-witted. Every predominently Muslim country has become so through being conquered and having Islam imposed by force.

[Risa]

>>This page on the State Deparment's site calls it an "Official Recognition" <<

Oh, how awful. The Muslim you see in the pic is Imam Yahya Hindi, a CAIR representative, feigning religious diplomacy as a self-appointed representative of all Muslims.

CAIR's National Director, Nihad Awad, is a tireless supporter of the terrorist group Hamas. The group as a whole exists to pressure politicians and media into excepting and promoting their twisted version of Islam.

CAIR threatened death to Khalid Duran, a man of moderate Muslim faith in Bethesda, Maryland. Duran is a gentle person who wrote a book to explain the Muslim faith to Jewish people. He wrote about his own traditional Islam, not the terrible Wahhabi version. So CAIR threatened to kill him.

I just discovered that Imam Yahya Hindi is also The U.S. Navy's Muslim Chaplain.

A recent quote from this dude:

"Yahya said that among the main problems facing Islam in the US is ignorance about it, not only by the non-Muslims, but even on the part of the Muslims themselves."

Spoken like a true totalitarian.


http://www.islamicvoice.com/february.2000/news1.htm

[Risa]

>>Personally I don't think they dupe anyone. It's the flow of money.<<

You make a good point. If it were not for Saudi money, the Wahhabis would never have gained the foothold they have in our country, not in such a short period of time, and they wouldn't have so much influence on American government and media.

Our dependency on Saudi Arabia's oil would also influence the way some elected officials manage the Wahhabi issue.

But I also believe the Saudi Wahhabis have been very clever at blinding many Americans by exploiting our democracy and constitution and the infantile need of the American journalist and the multiculturalist to be politically correct. They even managed to get the explicit recognition of their extremist version of Islam as the only version from the Catholic Council of Bishops and other Christian NGOs.

I doubt many of these people know that they assist the Wahhabi at achieving goals that are entirely at odds with the tradition and laws of the United States.