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The Golan Solution - A Superhighway to Peace
Original discussions on FR and the Dragon's Fury Series | June 11, 2003 | Jeff Head

Posted on 06/11/2003 12:44:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head

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To: Jeff Head; Travis McGee
I don’t object to your plan, Jeff, except in one respect. None of the land to which you refer should be occupied by Arabs to begin with. So placing conditions on their continued occupation of it simply validates that occupation. Arabs must be removed from the ‘Palestinian territories,’ irrespective of the ‘Palestinian’ people’s supporting/harboring (or not) of terrorists.

Talk of ‘Palestinian people’ is comparable to talk of ‘Lilliputians.’ They are a fictional people, just as Palestine is a fictional country. And their fictional existence as a people began (quite coincidentally) in 1948. Before that fateful year, no one had ever heard of them.

And what we generally refer to as Palestine was a land that nobody (except maybe a handful of Bedouins) really wanted .... until the Jews who emigrated there brought prosperity in the form of agriculture and industry. All of a sudden an arid, non-productive land became a desirable ‘homeland’ for a diverse group of opportunistic Arabs.

Israel made a big mistake when she embraced the Oslo Accord, and she will be traveling down that same deadly road if she takes seriously the new Roadmap. In ’93 she turned over large portions of her land to thugs who, in return, simply had to agree to live in peace with the Israeli people. Unfortunately ‘peace’ (at least as regards their co-existence with Israel) is not a part of the Arab vocabulary. For Israel, accepting the Roadmap now, a decade later, would amount to being burned twice. And this time the burn would prove fatal.

The Muslim world begrudges (and always will) Israel her sovereignty, and her desire to live in peace. To carve a ‘Palestinian state’ out of Israel, when Arabs have more than twenty Arab states (with nearly three hundred million Arab inhabitants) in which to choose to live, is ludicrous.

In truth, the purpose of the creation of a Palestinian state is twofold: (1) to rob the Jews of what little land they already possess as their own, and (2) to cut Israel in half, and thereby provide a catalyst for the final, deadly assault that will render the state (and people) of Israel extinct. Minus the West Bank, Israel’s increased vulnerability would prove fatal.

In the late ‘70s, a PLO executive committee member said, ‘Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Twenty years later, Yassar Arafat said, ‘Since we cannot defeat Israel in war, we do this in stages. We take any and every territory that we can of Palestine, and establish a sovereignty there, and we use it as a springboard to take more. When the time comes, we can get the Arab nations to join us for the final blow against Israel.

Could their intentions be more explicit? And could the current ‘Roadmap’ play into their hands any more than it does?

God bless and keep the state of Israel. America surely isn’t.

61 posted on 06/11/2003 7:43:58 PM PDT by joanie-f (All that we know and love depends on sunlight, soil, and the fact that it rains.)
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To: JohnGalt
Yep- I have seen it on this site. There are certain posters who are absolutely going bonkers against Bush and the "roadmap". One guy keeps saying how he is going to go down "just like his Daddy" for "betraying" Israel. I have been tough on Bush over the war in Iraq- but these super pro-Israel posters are getting really nasty agaisnt Bush.
62 posted on 06/11/2003 8:14:33 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Jeff Head
Stalin and Beria could have used you in dealing with the Volga Germans, Chechyans, Kalmuks, Tartars, and Ukranians.
63 posted on 06/11/2003 8:34:42 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Jeff Head
Well,shoot. Talk about a misleading headline.

I thought somebody finally had a plan fer paving the Golan Heights.
64 posted on 06/11/2003 8:54:42 PM PDT by wrbones (Bones)
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To: joanie-f
I agree with what you have said in principle Joanie...but the reality is that those people are there and something must be done about their situation and the terrorists hiding amongst them.

This gives them a chance to do it themsleves with the prospect of the peace loving and hoinorable amongst them having something to gain for it.

65 posted on 06/11/2003 10:04:56 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Burkeman1
If your statement is meant to imply that such a plan as this is a comparison to the abject murder and holocaust that Stalin caused, then you make a rediculous strawman comparison.

Stalin would have starved or simply had them all killed...which history tells us is what he did.

A plan or odea (which would admittedly need to be fleshed out significantly) gives the Palestinians a chance, repeating it with each attack from amongst them, to resolve the problem of Palestinian terror themselves and puts the owness on them to do so (where it belongs)...with a prospect of earning a stable state of their own. If they refuse to do so, and continue to harbor and/or abett terror amongst themselves, then ultimately they are treated as the allies of terror they would reveal themselves to be.

66 posted on 06/11/2003 10:11:11 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Always A Marine
Every Israel concession has been met with Arab duplicity, slowly tightening the noose around the Jewish nation. ... The day is coming when Israel will have no choice but to ensure its own survival.

Agreed. I believe the day is upon them now.

67 posted on 06/11/2003 10:12:40 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: bribriagain
The day may soon come when the Israelis will be forced to take even more drastic action as a matter of survival IMHO. I pray it can be avoided, but without something very direct, I am afraid that it is getting closer and closer.
68 posted on 06/11/2003 10:14:32 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Reagan Man
No more irrational and unworkable than what is happeniong now.

Such a plan or thought as this, puts the oweness where it belongs IMHO, without all the duplicity and politics of current circumstances...and that oweness is squarely on the Palestinian people themselves. I believe they will never face up to it without something as direct and compelling as this.

But that's just my own opinion, nothing more.

69 posted on 06/11/2003 10:16:48 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Group guilt? Nice. Stalin didn't have them all killed- he did as you suggest- move them to barren wastelands and if they die who cares? Not as brutal or direct as Hitler but nevertheless disgusting.
70 posted on 06/11/2003 10:27:19 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Jeff Head
The day may soon come when the Israelis will be forced to take even more drastic action as a matter of survival IMHO.

Can I ask just what might this "drastic action" entail?

71 posted on 06/11/2003 10:46:10 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Burkeman1
Stalin did have many killed directly. The purges he implemented killed his own people by the tens of thousands. The famines he engineered killed by the millions. To compare what is discussed here to any of that is a gross misrepresentation and wresting.

As to the type of action might be entailed if the Palestinianian terrorism directed against Israel continues...that is what this thread is about. As I have said, and as this thread speaks to, the owness for stopping that terror lies with the Palestinian people directly. Sooner or later the pressure for them to do so and prove that they are not "with the terrorists" will increase significantly. It should have happened some time ago IMHO.

72 posted on 06/12/2003 5:37:25 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
bump.
73 posted on 06/12/2003 9:54:35 AM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
Thanks for the BUMP my friend. Here it is coming back at you.

BUMP.

74 posted on 06/12/2003 11:16:44 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
You know, you may be right. After the latest Hamas terrorism, Israel may need to take the gloves off and use the creative approach you've come up with. BTW: I enjoy your writing.
75 posted on 06/12/2003 1:18:30 PM PDT by bribriagain
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To: bribriagain
Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, the PLO itself and so many others do not want peace with Israel...they want to annihilate Israel and/or drive it into the sea.

The Palestinian people have to be brought (IMHO) to the position where they make a clear decision to either reject those terrorist organizations, or continue to abet, harbor and support them. Once that decision is clear, action can be taken to either assist them so they can destroy the terrorist from amongst them, or to drive them all outside of Israel's borders. Israel's security and integrity can not be secured by anything less.

A plan like this forces that basic Palestinian decision into the open.

76 posted on 06/12/2003 1:59:36 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
"A plan like this forces that basic Palestinian decision into the open."

I agree.

77 posted on 06/12/2003 2:04:21 PM PDT by bribriagain
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To: Jeff Head
The purges he implemented killed his own people by the tens of thousands. +++

He didn't kill his own. Stalin was georgian (Caucausus) national. He was head of anti-russian power clique and he killed russians not georgians.
But he did things like you propose here. He ordered to round up and expel from the land the many of small ethnicities. Like Chechens, Crimea tatars, Volga germans and others. As punishement for their colloborations with german occupants in ww2.
Stalin very liked to say one famous phase: "who is not with us then against us". It is sad truth. President Bush today repeats that phrase after Stalin. Any russian school student knows it. It is the source of countless jokes in Russia today.
78 posted on 06/13/2003 1:06:33 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: RusIvan
He didn't kill his own. Stalin was georgian (Caucausus) national

In that sense I agree. But he certainly considered anyone in the Soviet Union his own. That was the perspective from which my statement was made.

Jeff

79 posted on 06/13/2003 5:39:47 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Well- I don't see any end except one that will tarnish a generation of Israelis with crimes. On the other hand the attitudes of the Palestinians towards Israelis don't offer much hope of any sort of peace through negotiation being achieved.
80 posted on 06/13/2003 3:42:18 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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