Two barbers clipped for loitering - at work

New York Daily News ^ | June 10, 2003 | FERNANDA SANTOS

[Great Dane]

Dane (the freeper) would have you sent to jail for such a heinous infraction.

No doubt, on the other hand, should I ever meet him I would keep on walking.:-}

Haven't seen you in a long time, how are you. ??

[HiTech RedNeck]

4. Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised, or knowingly permits or aids persons so masked or disguised to congregate in a public place; except that such conduct is not unlawful when it occurs in connection with a masquerade party or like entertainment if, when such entertainment is held in a city which has promulgated regulations in connection with such affairs, permission is first obtained from the police or other appropriate authorities;

In Nyawk you need a gummint permit to have a masquerade party in a hotel!

[Lazamataz]

No doubt, on the other hand, should I ever meet him I would keep on walking.:-}

Wisely done, FRiend. :o)

Haven't seen you in a long time, how are you. ??

As is always the case in life, dark depths and heady heights average out in such a way for me to say, I am well.

[csvset]

Kim Phann holds summons he got for loitering when he stepped outside barbershop to have a cigarette.

[BossLady]

"3. Loiters or remains in a public place for the purpose of engaging, or soliciting another person to engage, in deviate sexual intercourse or other sexual behavior of a deviate nature; or"

So 'regular' sex is ok....as long as it's not 'deviate'. LOL

[Great Dane]

So 'regular' sex is ok....as long as it's not 'deviate'. LOL

Or as long as you don't light a smoke, before or after. :-}

[NYFriend]

regular sex, unless you pay for it or one party is under 17, is not yet illegal in NY. Though if the Shakers ever make it back, watch out. Used to be a law on the books against deviate sexual intercourse. The law was struck down as unconstitutional, but I believe it has been repealed. Anyway, that line is a hold over from the old consentual sodomy statute.

The idea behind loitering is that you are hanging around without any lawful purpose. As I said, this story sounds like an abuse of authority, ther emay well be a city law that is more restrictive than the state law, especially since the summons was for loitering outside of a business, but no matter what, this sounds like either a revenue raiser, or some misguided "quality of life" enforcement blitz.

In Police Science, there is a whole style of policing called "Community Oriented Policing" amoung its tennents is what's called the "borken windows" theory. The idea is that if people see a building with broken windows, they decide that no one cares about the building, and it's OK to, for example, burn it down. If people see people getting away with minor crimes, the will decide that no one cares about the law in that community, and it's OK to commit serious crimes.

What ends up happening is that cops go around and drum up negativity amoungst the law abiding people by issuing tickets for jay walking and loitering, while the bodega down the street is getting held up. The other problem, at least in NYC, is that cops issuing these quality of life tickets were getting into fights (fist fights, knife fights, gun fights) with people who felt that public intoxication, or whatever, wasn't enough to warrant a ticket. I want to be clear that hitting or killing a cop, because he'd nitpicking is NEVER OK, (forget about them just followiing orders most of the time), but it doesn't take a much to see that comming in the enviornments they were doing this in NYC. Plus, they generally use kids right out of the acadamy for this work, because the brass thinks it's safe for them. It ends up, at the least, generating negativity.

[Henrietta]

So what part of the loitering statute that you posted were these guys supposedly violating? It doesn't seem like it fits at all.

I think the cop should be disciplined for making an illegal arrest.

[Henrietta]

"In other words, if two friends happen to bump into each other, stop to chat........... they are loitering too. ??? "

No, read the statute. The cop was just abusing his power, here. Two friends talking on the sidewalk isn't even covered by the law. Neither is standing outside smoking, unless you are also engaged in other prohibited behavior.

[Henrietta]

"just following orders" bump

[dljordan]

So they enforce idiotic laws rather than lose their cushy pensions right? It's called the Nuremburgh defense. "It ain't my fault, I'm only doin my job".

[Drew68]

bttt

[Drammach]

It's called the Nuremburgh defense. "It ain't my fault, I'm only doin my job".

Call it what you want.
They're issuing a ticket, not gassing jews.

No one was arrested, the ticket can be contested in court.
It will probably cost more for the lawyer, and lost time at work than it is worth, but it can be contested and won.

I don't know whether you're a New Yorker or not, but it seems to me, it truly isn't the cop's fault.
It's the voting public of New York that allowed idiots on the city council and in the Mayor's office.
If you don't like the way they're running the city, get rid of them.