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Science on TV Evolves : Intelligent Design Hits Prime Time
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| 9 June 03
| Chuck Colson
Posted on 06/09/2003 6:07:51 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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To: Aric2000
It can be a hypothesis, but that hypothesis must be at least somewhat based on scientific evidence and observation, there will be SOME assumptions with ANY hypothesis, but those assumptions can be proven in a scientific manner. Doesn't ID fall into this category?
How does one prove what created matter?
To: Aric2000
Ahh, another one of the those, if your not a creationist, you are not a real christian, but if you understand that evolution is the best scientific theory to fit the evidence, then you are an atheist.))) Putting words in Mamzelle's mouth is a non-non.
Haven't seen a Darwinist yet who didn't make lots of leaps of faith. I had to laugh because so much of evolutionism is "and then a miracle happened." Only, it comes out "and then a million years took care of that little inconvenience."
Evolution is a marvelous descriptive tool for the classification and understanding of the interrelatedness of life. A useful paradigm, if you will. But the conclusions drawn are so laughable, so outlandish! "Splitting from chimps." Yeah, of course, we split all the time. I don't so much argue that creationism is scientific--I don't have to. I have no interest in such a thing. Evolutionism porports to be scientific, and it is not. It's time for the Darwinists to redefine themselves as a religion, or a philosophical ideology like existentialism.
To: Rudder
Reminds me of Billy Preston's song: "Does it go 'round in circles?"You asked me to be more specific when I said that until ID produces data supporting its "theory" it will not be recognized as science by scientists.BTW, my personal opinion is that ID will have very tough time generating rationale and testable hypotheses. I am not defending ID so it was silly to demand that I do - if you ask a silly question, ask not "will it go round in circles". I am just arguing against close-minded knee-jerk evolutionists.
BTW: it is "will it go round in circles" not "does it"
Now I would like to "fly high like a bird up in the sly"
BTW: your opinion is well put and does not include emotion statements (like "I'm right and you're wrong")
To: js1138
I also used tobe an admirer of Gould. Please tell me how what I said is incorrect. Evolution is NOT small, continuous accumulation of chance mutations.
To: balrog666; All
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06/10/2003 2:28:51 PM PDT
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ALS
("No, I'm NOT a Professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!")
To: Last Visible Dog
And your point? You consider the origin of species to be supernatural (much like the primitives with lightning). As with lightning, the origin of species has a natural cause.
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06/10/2003 2:32:40 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
To: Aric2000
Earth to LVD, the ONLY Scientific theory that I know that tries to explain the origin of matter is the Big Bang theory. No. The Big Bang theory starts after matter was created (at least as I have seen it presented). It is a starting point but it does not explain what happened two seconds before the Big Bang. A starting point - but not the beginning. Where did the matter come from?
And we have yet to figure out EXACTLY how it ALL started
You are starting to see the light.
but NO where, and I MEAN NO WHERE, does the big bang theory say, then "a miracle happened", or "goddidit", no where in the theory of the big bang will you find either of those 2 phrases, you may see "we don't know yet", but no where will you see "goddidit" or "a miracle happened".
So. You think saying "duh, I don't know" covers up the fact that a supernatural miracle is needed for the Big Bang to be a complete origin theory. Sorry, does not work that way. Just because you choose to ignore it that does not mean it is not there.
To: Last Visible Dog
The Big Bang theory starts after matter was created
The Big Bang is a hypothesis. Also, from what I've heard, matter is formed during the Big Bang, not before.
You think saying "duh, I don't know" covers up the fact that a supernatural miracle is needed for the Big Bang to be a complete origin theory.
Once again, the Big Bang is a hypothesis, not a "complete origin theory". Further, things are complicated when the hypothesis introduces an element called Plank Time wherein the physical laws as we know them break down. Further, supernatural explanations are inherently useless unless you have a basis for formulating them -- simply positing a "God" because you don't have a better answer and then attaching all kinds of attributes to this "God" is meaningless, and even when you do have a basis for your supernatural explanation, it's still not science.
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06/10/2003 2:38:43 PM PDT
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Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: Aric2000
I'm not quite sure which side of the fence he's arguing on this one. It almost seems he's agreeing with me.
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06/10/2003 2:39:09 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
To: metacognative
Evolution is NOT small, continuous accumulation of chance mutations.
Evolution is, at the most basic level, a change in alelle frequencies over time. Everything else is added upon that.
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06/10/2003 2:40:01 PM PDT
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Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: metacognative
Evolution is NOT small, continuous accumulation of chance mutations.Sure it is, but some small changes to DNA have dramatic implications to form and function. Also, the rate of change in a species is determined by selection as well as mutation. Mutation can remain constant, but if selection does not favor change, you get a reletively static form.
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06/10/2003 2:40:02 PM PDT
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js1138
To: Dimensio
Should be "Planck Time", I believe, sorry.
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06/10/2003 2:40:56 PM PDT
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Dimensio
(Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
To: js1138
re: Ten thousand years is longer for rabbits than for elephants.)))
It does give one pause. There are two species of elephants alive today, and even the mammoths are relatively recently extinct. I'd count them as contemporary with mankind.
And look how many horses there are--common horse, donkeys, zebras...those species can even cross-breed for infertile offspring. Camels in SAmerica, and in Africa.
How come man is so lonely?
To: Last Visible Dog
MississippiMan, you are a wise man. Printing that out to give to my wife. Been telling her that for years. Now I have proof!
Seriously, thanks for the kind words. What part of MS was your dad from?
MM
To: Dimensio; Physicist
Also, I've read recently where the Big Bang can be explained using higher-dimensional physics (something like 11 dimensions in this particular branch of physics). The explanation was fascinating, but way above my paygrade and I'd make a fool of myself trying to reproduce them here.
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06/10/2003 2:41:57 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
To: Junior
And your point? You consider the origin of species to be supernatural (much like the primitives with lightning). As with lightning, the origin of species has a natural cause. You are not a very good mind reader so maybe you should give it up.
My point - easy: be open minded. Don't buy the evolutionist BS that their theory is scientifically provable. I don't fear the supernatural because history shows often today's supernatural is tomorrow's natural. I am not so arrogant as to believe that science is currently in possession of all or almost all of the knowledge in the universe. 500 years ago - science thought they were pretty smart but 500 years later we find they know very little and were wrong about a lot of things - to me that means 500 years from now they will say our science knew very little and was wrong about a lot of things.
To: Mamzelle
There are two species of elephants alive today... Three. Turns out the African Elephant actually comprises two distinct species (or something like that).
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06/10/2003 2:43:25 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
To: Mamzelle
How come man is so lonely? We killed off our closest relatives.
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06/10/2003 2:44:19 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
To: Last Visible Dog
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06/10/2003 2:44:27 PM PDT
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ALS
("No, I'm NOT a Professor. But I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!")
To: Last Visible Dog
Don't buy the evolutionist BS that their theory is scientifically provable. I'm sorry, but you lost me there. Evolutionists do not claim the theory is "scientifically provable" -- there ain't no such animal. Evolutionists do claim, however, that a preponderance of the evidence supports evolution.
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06/10/2003 2:45:57 PM PDT
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Junior
(How do stormtroopers use the restroom?)
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