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Saddam had WMDs
National Review Online ^ | June 9, 2003 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 06/09/2003 12:42:54 PM PDT by hchutch

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To: JohnGalt; hchutch; Miss Marple
Hyperbole is wasted on the humorless.

You're either part of the problem, or part of the solution, Jack. Either you're talking about serious solutions to real problems, or you're just another moron wasting the grownups' time.

I know John Galt. John Galt is a personal friend of mine. You, sir, are no John Galt.

Fine, I would settled for one firing and one pension stripping, and I would have supported your Middle East adventure.

Hmm. Your approach reminds me of the Queen of Hearts' "Sentence first, verdict afterwards," because the process of identifying who (if anyone) should be held accountable for 9/11 would take years. So you'd either (a) accept that the United States would do nothing in its defense, or (b) just fire somebody for s**ts and grins.

You went along with a foreign war without so much as one dissmisal-- I hope I am never as cynical about the United States governmetn as you are.

Ol' John Galt demands his pound of flesh as the price of supporting a war--he ignores the actual merits of whether or not we should go to war with Iraq, he just demands that SOMEONE get fired and stripped of his pension, and he's cool with a war.

81 posted on 06/09/2003 2:37:37 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Miss Marple
What is he doing that's so heinous that you can't believe anything they guy ever says?

Thats a pretty harsh indictment.
82 posted on 06/09/2003 2:39:52 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: adam_az
Kristol's been caught playing the "split the GOP" game one time too many for my taste (and, presumably, Miss Marple's).
83 posted on 06/09/2003 2:42:03 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: hchutch
Gee, looks less and less like Saddam was an innocent victim.

This WMD mass hysteria in no different than the Enron issue. As soon as it is debunked, the lefties will move on to another anti-Bush attack.

84 posted on 06/09/2003 2:43:33 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Poohbah
Split the GOP, or debate within the GOP over policy decisions?

Since he doesn't agree with you, he's "splitting the party?"

Funny, the Paleos accuse him of leading the party about by it's nostrils. How can he be "splitting" the party at the same time he hijacked it? does not compute.
85 posted on 06/09/2003 2:44:13 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: billbears
First you commandingly speak of "conservatives" now you've moved on to "Christianity" that Bush is alienating? No delusions here. Why stop at these two groups that almost everyone on here indentifies with? I'll tell you "who's next", George Washington, George Patton, and Jesus Christ.

Let's be honest here, there is no "original" conservatives, Paleos, these are disaffected Republicans.

If there are so many cynics, why are there unprecidented gains for the GOP in recent elections, hmmmmm?

No thanks to your kind, in fact despite you best efforts

86 posted on 06/09/2003 2:44:52 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Press Secret; Of 2 million Shiite pilgrims, only 3000 chanted anti Americanisms--source-Islamonline!)
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To: billbears
...nuclear materials that could easily have supplied terrorists with "an inestimable quantity of so-called dirty bombs."

"Inestimable." Iraq either had enough nuclear material to build thousands of bombs, or it didn't have enough to even build one. We just have no way of knowing, so the Bush Doctrine calls for a "better-safe-than-sorry/shoot-first-ask-questions-later" approach to foreign policy.

87 posted on 06/09/2003 2:49:04 PM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
Why do you act as if the Bush Doctrine is such a bad thing?

We saw what the enemy did with three airliners.
88 posted on 06/09/2003 2:51:41 PM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: adam_az; hchutch; Miss Marple
Split the GOP, or debate within the GOP over policy decisions?>

The former.

Since he doesn't agree with you, he's "splitting the party?"

I disagree with many Republicans on many issues. They disagree with me on those issues as well. However, 99.99% of them (and 100% of me) disagree in an open, forthright manner that doesn't involve rumor-mongering, back-stabbing, and so on, but instead revolves around open debate and discussion.

Kristol's in the 0.01%.

Kristol has this habit of using "anonymous sources" allegedly within the Bush administration that (a) just HAPPEN to agree 100% with his interpretation of things, and (b) have been conclusively demonstrated as being dead wrong whenever he was dead wrong--which was frequent.

In this post-Jayson Blair era, I think I might be forgiven for thinking that he made up his "sources" out of whole cloth.

Funny, the Paleos accuse him of leading the party about by it's nostrils. How can he be "splitting" the party at the same time he hijacked it? does not compute.

Perhaps the paleos are misreading the situation, because they are fixated on something else re: Kristol.

89 posted on 06/09/2003 2:52:04 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: cardinal4
This WMD mass hysteria in no different than the Enron issue.

Or the Bush-knew issue, or the quagmire-in-Afghanistan issue, or the quagmire-in-Iraq issue, or the priceless-treasures-have been-looted issue, or the Jessica-Lynch-rescue-was-staged issue, or the half-a-million-people-will-die-if-we-go-to-war-with-Iraq issue, or the damn-he-looks-good-in-a-flightsuit issue ...

90 posted on 06/09/2003 2:54:37 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Poohbah
I don't know what his religion is, and I don't care.

Kristol's had his shortcomings, but PNAC's making the right calls on the war, IMHO.
91 posted on 06/09/2003 2:55:36 PM PDT by hchutch ("If you don’t win, you don’t get to put your principles into practice." David Horowitz)
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To: Poohbah
I disagree with many Republicans on many issues. They disagree with me on those issues as well. However, 99.99% of them (and 100% of me) disagree in an open, forthright manner that doesn't involve rumor-mongering, back-stabbing,

Funny, the only Republicans I see nowadays engaging in "rumor-mongering" and "back-stabbing" are the ones who have invented a sinister cabal of "neo-cons" who are somehow secretly behind everything the "good" Republicans disagree with.

92 posted on 06/09/2003 3:05:13 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
Funny, the only Republicans I see nowadays engaging in "rumor-mongering" and "back-stabbing" are the ones who have invented a sinister cabal of "neo-cons" who are somehow secretly behind everything the "good" Republicans disagree with.

The most notorious one is an ex-Republican.

Now, if only we could get Buchanan to run for the Democratic nomination :o)

93 posted on 06/09/2003 3:06:45 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Dr. Frank
I have no problem with the neo-cons. I agree with many, if not most of their positions, including, on occasion, Kristol.

Kristol is a special case. He has a personal vendetta against either mainstream conservatives and/or the Bush family, and whenever he has the opportunity, he likes to throw spitballs, carry tales, and generally cause problems.

Krauthammer, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. are fine by me, and I think they are an asset to the Republican party and the administration.

Kristol, however, is not always helpful. I am on record about this since long before the war...in fact since before the Jeffords defection, which I would bet Kristol had something to do with. Kristol was causing trouble in the first Bush administration. He is not trustworthy, in my opinion.

94 posted on 06/09/2003 3:18:38 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
The following is excerted from the site globalsecurity.org

"Depending on its potency, a contamination-spewing radiological bomb could kill dozens, hundreds, possibly thousands. Its toxic plume could render a square mile or more uninhabitable for a decade or longer. It would cause a huge cleanup and demoralize a city, perhaps a nation.

Dirty Bombs aren't WMD eh? Global Security seems to disagree. Would "dpWHINER" care to post some rebutting information or should we all just put on our tin foil hats to stop the government from lying to us about the effects of "dirty bombs"

95 posted on 06/09/2003 3:29:37 PM PDT by The_Pickle ("We have no Permanent Allies, We have no Permanent Enemies, Only Permanent Interests")
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Sure, there is only one rational answer. But Sadaam wasn't rational, and you shouldn't ascribe rationality to him. It might even be another answer: he was tired of being told what to do. Bullies and bad boys are like that, just as a lot of good people are.

The fact remains that the Al Quaeda connection appears and appeared before the war to be B.S. It couldn't sell, so the war was sold on WMD. Now, you can get all over me all you want, but it isn't playing in Peoria or anywhere else in the world. I'm just a messenger. Bush has a problem and Rush's repeating the claim that the war was sold on other than the WMD doesn't make it so.

You will disagree with the entire second paragraph, so do it and let's end the debate. Your mind won't change; until we see something substantive, mine won't. I think we were--probably inadvertently--sold a bill of goods.

96 posted on 06/09/2003 3:33:09 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Miss Marple
I have no problem with the neo-cons.

I go you one further: I don't even know who the so-called "neo-cons" are. Here is my current, complete, confirmed list of "neo-cons": 1. Norman Podhoretz, 2. Irving Kristol, 3. (maybe) David Horowitz

I agree with many, if not most of their positions, including, on occasion, Kristol.

Are you saying that Bill Kristol is one such so-called "neo-con"? Says who?

Kristol is a special case. He has a personal vendetta against either mainstream conservatives and/or the Bush family,

He does? So you can read his mind?

he likes to throw spitballs, carry tales, and generally cause problems.

In English please? What's a "spitball"? This is starting to remind me of the '90s when leftists would constantly describing Newt Gingrich as "bomb-throwing". I would always think, "what the hell are they talking about? what 'bombs'?"

What "spitballs"?

Krauthammer, Perle, Wolfowitz, etc. are fine by me,

That's terrific, really. What do they have to do with anything? You think they're "neo-cons"? Why do you think that?

Kristol, however, is not always helpful.

Okay so boil this all down and what we've got is that: you don't entirely like or appreciate the contributions to the political sphere of one Bill Kristol, news opinion writer and TV commentator.

Well! That's fascinating. Anything else? Because as a grand analysis of the political scene it doesn't tell me all that much.

Kristol was causing trouble in the first Bush administration. He is not trustworthy, in my opinion.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinions and all. Personally I have almost no opinion of Bill Kristol one way or the other.

I haven't the foggiest idea what any of this has to do with a discussion of "neo-cons".

97 posted on 06/09/2003 3:34:24 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: justshutupandtakeit
He sponsored/assisted at least three terrorist attacks within this country.

Which ones might those be?

98 posted on 06/09/2003 3:34:54 PM PDT by jammer
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To: hchutch
Saddam had STDs?
99 posted on 06/09/2003 3:37:13 PM PDT by x
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To: hchutch
We saw what the enemy did with three airliners.

We also saw that 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis and know that Saudi Arabia currently, as well as in the past, supports terrorism. But yet they're our ally and Iraq is the terrorist supporter. Makes sense to me......

100 posted on 06/09/2003 3:45:05 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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