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American Conservative Union | 06/03/03 | David Keene

Posted on 06/07/2003 4:50:18 PM PDT by NeoCaveman

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To: dubyaismypresident; Cathryn Crawford
Did David Keene beat her to the punch :-)

Don't know that she even wanted to do it, but I'd suggested something similar to her - for her consideration - earlier today.

21 posted on 06/07/2003 6:01:45 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Reagan Man
And the idea that the USA under the leadership of PresBush is pushing an empire agenda, is ridiculous and outrageous. Few Republicans and even fewer conservatives support anything related to "empire" building.

I agree with you.

22 posted on 06/07/2003 6:03:21 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (ohio chapter president: White Devils for Sharpton)
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To: Burkeman1
>>> ... there is a fiesty little group of conservatives from all over the map who question the foreign policy of this country since the end of the Cold War.

I don't believe they're from all over the map, as you say. But all conservatives have had good reason to question the foreign of the US. Eight of the last 12 years the US was lead by a lying, phony, scumbag and his lying/phony witch-bitch wife.

But again, there is no empire building under way by the Bush administartion. Some on the extremist rightwing, have a problem with the war on terrorism and for the life of me, I can't figure out why. After 9-11, any fair minded American should realize the dangers that Islamic fundamentalism and Arab radicalism present to the safety and the future of the US homeland and our interests abroad.

After all, we can't turn the clock back to 1776 and we aren't about to become an isolationist nation either. American's have always looked to the future with an optimistic outlook.

24 posted on 06/07/2003 6:07:56 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: dubyaismypresident
Remember Askel5.
25 posted on 06/07/2003 6:11:42 PM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Sonny M
"Can somone give me some info on the John Birch Society. It seems they are the one conservative group everyone hates, I don't really understand why. Even Pat Buchanan doesn't seem to fond of them."

The overly serious supporters of the John Birch Society were among the first to be jettisoned. Its founder was a quirky Massachusetts businessman who unaccountably persisted in the view that President Dwight Eisenhower, of all people, was a "conscious" agent of international communism. Bill Buckley spoke for most conservatives of his day in the famous rejoinder that Eisenhower was not a communist, but a golfer.

That's all I really know about them.

26 posted on 06/07/2003 6:14:27 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (ohio chapter president: White Devils for Sharpton)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I would also add free markets, or capitalism.

Some may believe that limited government automatically assumes that, but it does not.

27 posted on 06/07/2003 6:15:58 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: dubyaismypresident
At one time, a strong national defense defined being an American. Today, I don't think you can be a true conservative, without supporting a strong national defense.

IMO, that's why many libertarians and Libertarians can never be part of the contemporary conservative movement in America.

29 posted on 06/07/2003 6:18:20 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Amelia
Good article, and I agree with the author's conclusions. If we split up because of relatively minor issues, while ignoring the 'big picture', it's certain that liberals will win.

I agree with you 100% ... I'm just hoping that these non-interventionist conservatives are reevaluating their position. This type of foreign policy can be deadly.

30 posted on 06/07/2003 6:18:50 PM PDT by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
These groups might be described as "free marketeers," "social conservatives," and "national defense"...
I suspect that, like most conservatives, I find myself wondering just what this fight is all about.

What it boils down to is that the "free marketeers" have subordinated the social conservative agenda to disdainfully dispense with the inconvenient confines of our Constitution and wage economic warfare against the American Middle Class.

31 posted on 06/07/2003 6:19:16 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Sonny M
I would also add free markets, or capitalism.
Some may believe that limited government automatically assumes that, but it does not.

I guess I did merge the too. You are right. Personally I do not believe that their can be freedom without economic freedom.

32 posted on 06/07/2003 6:19:26 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (ohio chapter president: White Devils for Sharpton)
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33 posted on 06/07/2003 6:21:53 PM PDT by mhking
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To: Amelia; dubyaismypresident
Hey! He stole my idea! :)

Seriously, nice article. Thanks for the ping, Amelia.
34 posted on 06/07/2003 6:21:53 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: templar; LTCJ; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ..
A definition of "conservative" is needed.

Any "Conservative" political movement in America must be animated by a continual reference to, and analysis of, the intersection between faith and politics.

"Conservatism" needs definition on a forum like this:

Main Entry: con·ser·va·tism
Pronunciation: k&n-'s&r-v&-"ti-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1835
1 capitalized a : the principles and policies of a Conservative party b : the Conservative party
2 a : disposition in politics to preserve what is established b : a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change
3 : the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change

Personally I believe that a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions in America is, by definition, based on Judeo-Christian tradition and social stability.

Therefore, I do not shy away from calling those self proclaimed conservatives here on FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum" back to the very roots of that "Conservatism, " namely Judeo-Christian principles and belief. Christianity is integral to the continuance of Conservatism in America and thus The Necessity for Christianity on Free Republic.

I would like to see an ongoing, charitable discussion and debate on the defintion of, and basis/roots of, the "Conservative" aspect of FreeRepublic.com "A Conservative News Forum."

Frankly, IMHO, Free Republic is NOT a "Conservative" News Forum, if it was at one time.

It has become a Apatheism News Forum, where the "Conservativism" of the median FReeper is not "Conservatism" at all but quite appropriately referred to as "Apatheism."

35 posted on 06/07/2003 6:22:35 PM PDT by Polycarp (Free Republic: Where Apatheism meets "Conservatism.")
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To: cyberbuffalo
>>>What happened to standing athwart history and yelling Stop?

I don't think that term defines being an American. But we do have freedom of speech, petition and assemble. Those options exist and are your rights under the Constitution.

36 posted on 06/07/2003 6:23:12 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
I don't believe they're from all over the map

Well- just check them out. I read many of them and they come from all sides of conservatism and would agree on little else but being against American foreign policy.

Clinton was something else entirely. He had no foreign policy. American Empire grew as his domestic woes worsensed and he needed deflection. We are in Kosovo to this day because of the Juanita story and the release of the Cox report on China and his campaign contributions. Clinton extended the empire to deflect from domestic woes as did countless rulers of Empires thoughout history. Nothing wipes away domestic scandal and corruption than a foreign war and "victory!"

But again, there is no empire building under way by the Bush administartion

We are not occupying a country and attempting to remake them in our image? We will have military bases there for years. Any domestic politics will be aware of this fact. We will control the elites of Iraq like we do many other countries in the Middle East. We have an "Athenian" empire- rule through proxy elites but we control all major decisions and back it up with local military threat.

Why can't we "turn back the clock?" Everyone says that like it is gospel? But we can get back to the time when the world loved America for what we were and not whom we could conquer. We should be an example- not an enforcer.

37 posted on 06/07/2003 6:25:46 PM PDT by Burkeman1
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To: Reagan Man; sheltonmac
But all conservatives have had good reason to question the foreign of the US. Eight of the last 12 years the US was lead by a lying, phony, scumbag and his lying/phony witch-bitch wife

Ahhh, but we can't question it under Bush, is that it? Because he's a Republican. Mind you I didn't say conservative. I question all politicians no matter their stripe and any patriot worth their salt should do so as well

But again, there is no empire building under way by the Bush administartion. Some on the extremist rightwing, have a problem with the war on terrorism and for the life of me, I can't figure out why

Oh, I don't know.....perhaps because the nations actually doing the support are called our allies (i.e. Saudi Arabia) and the crackpot dictator in Iraq gets it over WMDs that haven't been produced? Even the CIA is admitting they may have made a mistake!! Beside that point, never mind that wonderful wacky Patriot Act. I just know the left wing Democrats are going to be thanking Republican Party all their days for giving them the power to get rid of the 'extremist' Christians one day

After 9-11, any fair minded American should realize the dangers that Islamic fundamentalism and Arab radicalism present to the safety and the future of the US homeland and our interests abroad.

Yes, but that does not give any party a blank check for pre-emptive strikes. Islam is a false religion and will be dealt with in due time. However having a roving band of US soldiers marching from Middle Eastern country to Middle Eastern country, all the while evading Saudi Arabia like they've got the plague, isn't going to do that. Neither is this 'road map' for peace

38 posted on 06/07/2003 6:26:51 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Your right, you ever notice the first right communists, socialists, facists, anyone goes after, is the right to own something, wether it be property or such?
39 posted on 06/07/2003 6:28:22 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: cyberbuffalo
What happened to standing athwart history and yelling Stop?

Well, look who is standing athwart history now. In virtually every sphere of human progress the left today is saying, “Stop the world, I want to get off,” while conservatives get made fun of by the same snickering sophisticates, only now because of our optimism.

40 posted on 06/07/2003 6:29:43 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (ohio chapter president: White Devils for Sharpton)
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