Posted on 06/07/2003 4:50:18 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
The Libertarian Party is not "left leaning" but freedom leaning.
Hardly. The Libertarians are moral-liberals, and align perfectly with the moral-liberalism of the Democratic, Socialist, and Greens Parties.
Correction: liberalism is an amalgam of personal liberty and economic statism (whereas much of what passes for "conservatism" is an amalgam of economic liberty and personal statism).
I suppose the chairman of the Republican Party meeting with gays makes Republicans moral-conservatives. And I suppose that the $15 billion in aid we're sending to Africa that you support makes you an economic conservative.
We never invaded or conquered the Filipino people.
Incorrect. We did. We fought the "Phillipines War" from 1899 to 1902. Although you should be forgiven for not knowing about it. Neither did the American people much know about either at the time. It was however a bloody little war and quite horrific for our troops. We lost about 4200 dead and another 2500 wounded. How many died to disease is a question. We also fought another little war there from 1902 to 1913 but this was more like an ongoing anti pirate war- called the "Moro Campaigns." These are the same charming Muslems whom I believe we are helping the Phillipine army to chase around these days. We lost 130 men in that war. What is really interesting is that we lost more in these little wars than we did fighting Spain!
The Athenian Empire was known for its use of force over lesser nation states, through strict control and taxation.
The Athenians were not known for that at all. That would describe Rome far better. The Athenians almost never ruled directly and their rule was hardly ever "strict". They did engender enemies through their exclusive trade practices (taxation was not their major revenue generator) and their muscle flexing. But they did not have an imperial order as Rome did.
While the European's had major investments in China, the US was a minor player and our so-called "zone of influence" doesn't translate into anything resembling US empire building.
America was instrumental and the central leading figure in organizing Western resistance to the Boxer rebellion of 1900. We were hardly a bit player in China.
That's a bogus representation of history and why the US entered WWI.
I don't think so at all. I think the historical record quite clearly proves that.
But its a free country and you can believe whatever nonsense to choose to.
Yes it is- but it sure is interesting that in our "empire" (which is not an empire of course) we don't allow free speech- like the shutting down of papers in Iraq- the continued media censorship in Kosovo, Bosnia, and Serbia.
>>>Incorrect. We did. We fought the "Phillipines War" from 1899 to 1902. Although you should be forgiven for not knowing about it.
This is what i know. Open any history book and there will no reference to any "Phillipines War" and for good reason. There was no "Phillipines War"!
It's true there was a revolt led by Filipino leader Emilio Aguinaldo, but it wasn't the "imperial war" you're making it out to be. The insurrection was put down with the capture of Aguinaldo by Gen. Frederick Funston in 1901. But I will be honest with you, I knew the insurrection/revolt cost the US more lives then we lost in the Spainish-American War. What I didn't know was the casualty figures were that high. I will look that up at my convenience and get back with you, if necessary.
I'm no expert in ancient history. The several references I used to gather some basic information on the subject, clearly stated the Athenian Empire wielded their power over lesser nations through strict control and taxation. I will let you have that one.
As for the US involvement in China during the Boxer Rebellion, I take exception to giving the US major status in China before the Boxer uprising. The US didn't have the power and influence of major players like, Austria, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan, and Russia. The Open Door Policy promoted by US Sec of State John Hay, couldn't be supported or enforced by the Eurpoean powers and was "politely" rejected. Even with that, Hay publically announced the agreement was "final and definitive." The American's wanted a piece of the action and their own "sphere of influence" in China. The US did get equal billing following the Boxer Rebellion, but not before.
And finally, we didn't get involved in WWI for the reasons you mentioned. That's a warped viewpoint of real history.
I been illin', bro.
Unfortunately, I've been "illin'" quite literally, not figuratively. The right side of my face has been paralyzed for over a week-and-a-half. Some kinda facial palsy (on which our brother "the_doc" has freely offered his medical advice, no-questions asked and free of charge from 2000 miles away, thus giving the Lie to the idea of Calvinists being a cold-hearted and uncharitable sort)
Anyway, it's probably "Bell's Palsy" (not a Progressive Stroke or anything like that, God willing), which goes away within a month or so 80% of the time.
I haven't made a big "sympathy plea" on the Public Threads or anything, but since you asked.... yeah, I've taken it easy. I'm not particularly worried, anyway... some Men (who shall remain nameless) throw themselves outta perfectly good airplanes in defense of their country; I'm just sweltering through an annoying neurological inconvenience. It's an annoyance and I hope it improves soon, but it's hardly a "thorn in my side" compared to Christian Martyrs in Pakistan.
Where's your tall, thin Cuz, bro? Here in America, with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson running around, the "Black Community" needs all the "Alan Keyes" it can get. Not that I'm trying to make it a "racial" thing...
Oh, who am I kidding. In all honesty, I have no objection to making it a "racial" thing. But I've got some news for the "Christian Identity" Aryan Nations freaks out there in the highways and byways of North America... it's time the Worldwide Anglican Confession got in touch with the idea that "Black is Beautiful". Fully half of the Communicant Membership of the Worldwide Anglican Confession today is Black African... and they are bloody CONSERVATIVE. It's gotten to the point that Nigerian African Bishops are excommunicating British Canadian priests for giving their blessing to "homosexual unions".
Maybe the British "exploited" Africa in their day, but they left Christians in their wake... and today, those Black African Anglicans (today representing fully one-half of the communicant membership of the Worldwide Anglican Confession) are the only anchor still mooring the Anglican/Episcopal Church to the Rock of the Bible.
The same holds true in Presbyterianism, except it's "yellow", not "black". Presbyterianism is the dominant Protestant Confession in Taiwan, Korea, and who-knows how many other East Asian nations (NAGASAKI was the primary locus of Dutch-Reformed presbyterianist Christianity in Japan, until it was liquified by an Atomic Bomb. OOPS!!)
This is an interesting question, for me, given that I have come around (in recent years) to the Buchananite idea that it is morally acceptable for a nation to preserve its own language and culture in recognition of the fact that Unfettered Mass Immigration is not a Positive Good, labor economics be damned (which is why I flagged our Buchananite-Calvinist brother, GWB).
But at the same time (and it pains me to recognize, as a German who is proud of my ethnic heritage)... in terms of Christianity, THE WHITE RACE HAS FAILED.
The "European-White Monopoly Heirs" of Christianity for almost 2,000 years (excepting a few Black Coptics in Ancient Ethiopia, a few Brown Thomasines in Ancient India, and a few Yellow Nestorians in Ancient China)... and where do we stand today?
It is a curious state of affairs for me, intellectually speaking. On the one hand, I have come around (in recent years) to the Buchananite idea that it is morally acceptable for a nation to preserve its own language and culture. The Mass Immigration of "Aztlan" Mexican Revolutionaries who deny the US as a country, deny the US Constitution, and deny US History and Nation-hood cannot possibly be a "good thing" for a People and Country.
ON THE OTHER HAND, if one defines "Orthodox Reformation Christianity" as the Foundation and Bulwark of "American Culture", I am tempted to advocate importing a few million Black-African Anglicans and Yellow-Asian Presbyterians who would respect Life, Liberty, Property, and the Rule of Law, and advocate exporting a few million White Liberals... who don't.
Pat Buchanan, Peter Brimelow (incidentally, Brimelow is a brilliant economic writer)... Lemme tell ya -- try and introduce Religion and Morality as a foundation of Civil Society, and the Immigration Debate becomes more complex than ever.
(and, as always, I am just a guppy in the pool, welcoming anyone's thoughts)
best, OP
At one time or another, we've all posted in haste and repented at leisure. :-)
Yes, in my mind they are RINOs.
I can think of at least two categories of single issue voters that are such RINOs: rabidly pro-second amendment types and intolerant fundamentalist Christians.
I'm sure there are more types of RINOs but these are the most common on FR.
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I'm sure there are more types of RINOs but these are the most common on FR.
Funny that the intolerant fundie Christians are about as reliable as the gay rights radicals when it comes to their threats to bolt the GOP over single issue contoversies.
Both act like spoiled children if you dare disagree with them over their pet grievances.
Give us all a major break.
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