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US Soldier Killed, Four Wounded In Attack Near Saddam's Hometown
Associated Press ^ | June 7, 2003 | Slobodan Lekic

Posted on 06/07/2003 8:53:51 AM PDT by Seti 1

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To: appalachian_dweller
If u r going to send soldiers in harm's way, they r going to get killed. That's a fact of life. I have never belittled our brave soldiers ever. Maybe I'm a bit dense but don't see how some peasants in Fallujah are threatening our freedom. If they are: Just bomb the hell out of them.
21 posted on 06/07/2003 5:30:19 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Eternal_Bear
Those peasants may or may not follow radical islam. If they do they are a threat especially since our 'leaders' are doing nothing to secure our borders.

Does anyone have any info on the background of the 19 vermin responsible for the 9/11/01 attacks? If so, please post such info.

I'm not saying for dense. It's just your comments seemed a bit callous.
22 posted on 06/07/2003 6:02:00 PM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. [Matthew 24:42])
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To: appalachian_dweller
I think most of the 911 gang were middle class Saudis. These peasants in Fallujah are not threatening to invade us. They just want us to leave them alone. i just don't think nation building will work unless we send more troops and spends countless billions of dollars and more of our soldiers will still get killed. Just don't think it is worth it.

BTW, the Brits tried restructering Iraq from 1918 to the 1940's. They even fought a mini war as late as 1941. It didn't seem to do much good then either.

23 posted on 06/07/2003 10:18:22 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Fee
Not very sensible are you?
24 posted on 06/08/2003 2:23:56 AM PDT by Yaron
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To: Eternal_Bear
BTW, the Brits tried restructering Iraq from 1918 to the 1940's. They even fought a mini war as late as 1941. It didn't seem to do much good then either.

BTW, the Brits and the French tried restructering Germany from 1918 to 1935 when Hitler renounced the Versailles Treaty. It didn't seem to do much good then.

Maybe, in 1945, the U.S. should have learned from the failed British attempt, simply accepted that German retructering and denazification was impossible and simply made plans to have a German war in 1966, 1987, 2008 and every other 21 years after that.

25 posted on 06/08/2003 8:28:46 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: xJones
We declared that the war was over and our guys keep getting killed every day.

What the f**k is wrong with us? We are turning into a sitting duck like Israel. We are getting killed and no one cares.

If they are still killing us its because we didn't sufficiently put the fear of US into them. And because we will not take care of the real enemy, the Wahhbi beasts.
26 posted on 06/08/2003 10:24:16 AM PDT by Courier
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To: Polybius
If the nazis had tried to even rearm if by some implausible scenario they had returned to power, the US, Russia, the UK and France would have nuked them. The war would have been over in an hour.

BTW, how many American lives would you be willing to lose for Iraqi "nation building"? Be honest and give a straight answer.

27 posted on 06/08/2003 11:41:45 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Eternal_Bear
If the nazis had tried to even rearm if by some implausible scenario they had returned to power, the US, Russia, the UK and France would have nuked them. The war would have been over in an hour.

So, the way to handle a few hundred or a few thousand Baathist holdouts is to "nuke" 2,242,000 Iraqis in Baghdad?

The last time I looked, the Russians and the Chinese were on the Iraqi side. After you uncork the "nuke" genie, how are you going to deal with the Nuclear Club friends of America's enemies, Red China and Russia, after they get together and "nuke", say, Israel or Taiwan or South Korea just to show the world that the U.S. is not the only power that can go around the Globe "nuking" a defacto ally of another Nuclear Club member?

BTW, how many American lives would you be willing to lose for Iraqi "nation building"? Be honest and give a straight answer.

That question is along the lines of "How many Americans are you willing to lose for the sake of a jungle island named Gudalcanal, an atoll in the middle of nowhere named Tarawa or a hedgerow in some decrepid French farm in Normandy?"

Such questions completely ignore the strategic importance of eliminating the regimes that support the anti-American terrorism that killed over 3,000 Americans on 11 September.

If your only solutions to eliminating such regimes are wholesale genocide of an entire country, uncorking the genie of nuclear warfare when countries such as Russia and China can devastate our own country with nuclear weapons or pursuing the Clinton policy of doing nothing, then, you have absolutely no solutions at all.

How many American lives would you be willing to lose to terrorism and their sponsor states by adopting the policy of making empty threats about "nuking" combined with the Clinton policy of doing absolutely nothing of any strategic consequence?

28 posted on 06/08/2003 2:31:45 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
The last time I looked, the Russians and the Chinese were on the Iraqi side. +++

Russia wasn't on Iraqi side. If it was so you may see russian troops in Iraq.
Russia just had been saying to everyone that claim about Iraqi WMD was wrong claim. As we all know today that Russia was right here.
And don't worry about Russia's nukes. I'm believe Russia won't nuke none until got attacked first.
29 posted on 06/08/2003 4:24:43 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Polybius
I don't think the problem in Iraq is caused by a few thousand Baathists. The Shia are also threatening a jihad and their beliefs are clearly antithetical to Baathism which is secularist and socialist.

Some fights are necessary and some are not. You just don't jump into every and any fight. Our troops should not be used for nation building. That is not their mission. Let somebody else handle that.

Neither do you threaten everyone. Far better to act decisively but judiciously. I favor quick surgical strikes followed by a quick withdrawal. Occupying as much as possible is stupid since you can't defend everything. I also favor covert action teams taking out as many as the terrorists as possible but any policy which angers peasants is simply counterproductive.

We can occupy the whole world but would that guarantee victory over terrorism?. I doubt it and the more you occupy, you increase the number of potential targets. In fact that is what Osama and his thugs hope for. That is the conundrum.

30 posted on 06/08/2003 5:09:00 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Courier
If they are still killing us its because we didn't sufficiently put the fear of US into them. And because we will not take care of the real enemy, the Wahhbi beasts.

The Wahhabis are the real problem in regard to world terrorism. Occupying the beasts in Iraq is another, and nobody has even been able to hold all those factions down and quiet without using brute force. The "quagmire" is the occupation of Iraq, and our poor soldiers have to put up with those idiots.

31 posted on 06/08/2003 6:54:49 PM PDT by xJones
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