Tolerating Intolerance: The Challenge of Fundamentalist Islam in Western Europe

Partisan Review ^ | PR3/ 2002 | Bruce Bawer

[Ippolita]

good post!

bumping others!

[swarthyguy]

Blah Blah Blah....

We can pontiificate all we want. Just another voice crying in the wilderness.

We'll wake up when sharia is implemented. But, by then, it'll be too late.

[Eurotwit]

I don't share your pessimistic and deterministic point of view. Perhaps as a matter of personal philosophy that anything is possible. Don't discount human agency.

But, also being an up-close observer of some of the events listed in the article has given me the belief that things ARE indeed changing. An awakening of sorts is slowly taking place. As a Norwegian, I have seen how these issues have lost their taboo status. Questions are being asked. People are being held to account.

Is there a long way to go?

Certainly.

Is there any other option than to take on this challenge?

Absolutely not.

[Eurotwit]

Is France lost?

Yes, but not because of the islamists.

That problem could have been taken care of.

[swarthyguy]

I hope you're right. THe following is not as bad as Europe but its amazing how there seems to be no wall between mosque and state in the USA....

President Bush had to change the name of the operation against terrorism from 'Infinite Justice' to 'Enduring Freedom' because, according to the mullahs, infinite justice can be rendered only by Allah. Sultaana Freeman and Najat Tamim-Muhammad, both of Florida, are suing to keep their veils on for driver's license photographs. That is, they want to be issued an ID card that won't allow their identification (pretty convenient for female fidayeen, no?). CAIR's Ibrahim Hooper says, "To take it off would be the equivalent of some other woman being forced to remove her blouse." (Eh??) Faced with persistent demands, NYC Schools Chancellor Harold Levy decreed that public schools must set aside a room for Muslim children to pray in during Ramzan. Christians cannot pray in school during Christmas; Jews can't during Hanukkah. No "liberal," not even the ACLU, protested against this merging of mosque with state. "Liberals" and Islamists demanded that foreign terrorists, including Al Qaeda jihadis, should not go before a military tribunal. They should be given a lawyer, preferably in the mould of OJ Simpson's, and an open trial so that closely guarded secrets can be bared to the world. A Muslim girl attending high school in Fort Worth, Tx, won the right to wear a hijab while playing soccer. High-school Muslim students in Williamsport, Penn, gained the right to take swimming instruction in private. A Muslim boy in Gainesville, Fl, was permitted to violate his school's dress code when his parents explained that untucked shirts were more modest. A Muslim woman of Kansas City, Missouri, was accepted as a medical student even though she refused to be palpated by male colleagues, disrupting the practice of having students learn by physical examination. Muslims were in America before Columbus; Muslim navigators led Columbus to a little island in the Bahamas, a settlement of Islamic Mandinkas from Africa; Muslims from both Spain and West Africa sailed to America at least 5 centuries before Columbus... In October 2002, seminars explaining how Muslims discovered America were held in major cities and mosques all over the US.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921596/posts

[OXENinFLA]

I figure this would be a good thread to ask for a PIC.

I'm looking for the one that shows 2 or 3 Muslims hanging out a window on a balcony w/ a banner that says (I think) "BRITAIN WILL BE ISLAM"

Thanks.

[Eurotwit]

"In October 2002, seminars explaining how Muslims discovered America were held in major cities and mosques all over the US"

HEY, everyone knows that the Vikings discovered america ;-)

I'll look at that post as well as the other thread tomorrow. Need to run. It's past 8pm here.

Cheers.

[swarthyguy]

Hey, wait a second, i thought it was these guys....

http://www.viewzone.com/gene.olmec.html

[Eurotwit]

Just to underscore my point with a story today from Denmark:

Social Democrats takes on Islam.

The social democrats is now challenging the arab world, and
concludes that western values are superior to the religious and undemocratic values that are prevalent in many middle eastern and northern African countries.

In their new foreign policy initiative which is published next week.

Western Values shall be rewarded.

The middle east in pinpointed as the most important area where foreign aid shall be purposefully used to reward countries and governments that encourages and develops westen values such as democracy, human rights, and good governance.
Mellemøsten udpeges som det vigtigste område, hvor bistandshjælp målrettet skal bruges til at belønne lande og regeringer, der udvikler vestlige værdier som demokrati, menneskerettigheder og god regeringsførelse.

Mogens Lykketoft has together with pary collegues challenged Islam. "There can exist no doubt that any religous deviations from these standards are not acceptable, and will not be tolerated by the social democrats.
...

Jeppe Kofod admits that the Social democrats are challenging many taboos relating to Islam and the arab world. The new initiative underlines the political earthquake that has occured within the Social Democrats. - "This is a challenge to some of the taboos which have been traditionally held on the left that one shouldn't actively be imperialistic about western values. But, we should be. The development problems in the arab world are largely of their own making, and that a fundamentalistic interpretation of Islam is worsening the problems. Therefore, Denmark shall have strict conditions on its interaction with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Syria and Iran.

The new social democratic position is in line with the conservative governments plans. "We must have the courage to "exort" our democratic values to the countries of the middle east", said prime minister Anders F. Rasmussed thursday in his constitution speech.

http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/article.jhtml?articleID=102895

[knighthawk]

On the islam list now.

[sheik yerbouty]

Mosques should be closely watched. They are breeding grounds for jihadist vermin.

[Travis McGee]

There is a hellish civil war looming ahead in Europe.

Most of her cities will be in ashes before the last insane murder cultists are wiped out.

[StormEye]

More of the Joys of Diversity.
Coming to a neighborhood near you.

[Imperialist]

"European Muslims are more likely than their American counterparts to live in tightly knit religious communities"


That statement is BS. Take a ride down Atlantic Ave. in Brooklyn, NY. Mooslimes don't assimilate in the USA either. Neither do the chicomms.

[swarthyguy]

It is GOOD to see some hard headedness strike politicians as they ponder how to deal with the jihadis.

[texasbluebell]

bump, and thanks, knighthawk!