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The Guardian Pulls a "Dowd" - Falsely Attributes War for Oil Claim to Wolfowitz w/ Misquote
6 June 2003

Posted on 06/04/2003 2:55:40 PM PDT by Stultis

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To: Stultis
Good, job to all. I can read German well. The Tagesspiegel article does just what you're complaining the Guardian does. In Der Welt however they have the story in its propper context. I'd write the Tagesspiegel in a complaint if you want, but my guess is someone already did.

Wow, maybe this is that "dang liberal media" everyone's always talking about. My theory is there's just a bunch of pressure out there to get a quote of stupidity about his issue. Wolfy and Rummy have been kind of a gold mine lately.
101 posted on 06/05/2003 7:54:00 AM PDT by Lefty-NiceGuy (Good Job)
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To: hellinahandcart
It´s good that you don´t wanna get involved in private arguments. I didn´t addressed you with that letter but tictoc. He wrote that he doesn´t want mails, so I thought I should post it on the board to show that I have nothing to hide...
102 posted on 06/05/2003 7:55:31 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Stultis
Yeah, right.
103 posted on 06/05/2003 7:56:23 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Stultis
AHA! According to this South African news site, Al-Guardian will retract!

Update: Iraq war 'was about oil'
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Iraq/0,,2-10-1460_1369424,00.html

Although The Guardian earlier reported that US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz had said that the Iraq war was all about oil, the newspaper has now removed the article from its web site, and will print a full correction in Friday's edition. According to the Guardian's ombudsman, the quote, "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil," was taken out of context, and misconstrued.

Below is a copy of the original story as it appeared on News24:

Cape Town - Oil was the main reason for military action against Iraq, a leading White House hawk has claimed, confirming the worst fears of those opposed to the US-led war.

The Guardian reports that the US deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz - who has already undermined Tony Blair's position over weapons of mass destruction (WMD) by describing them as a "bureaucratic" excuse for war - has now gone further by claiming the real motive was that Iraq is "swimming" in oil.

The latest comments were made by Mr Wolfowitz in an address to delegates at an Asian security summit in Singapore at the weekend, and reported on Wednesday by German newspapers Der Tagesspiegel and Die Welt.

Asked why a nuclear power such as North Korea was being treated differently from Iraq, where hardly any weapons of mass destruction had been found, the deputy defence minister said: "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil."

Mr Wolfowitz went on to tell journalists at the conference that the US was set on a path of negotiation to help defuse tensions between North Korea and its neighbours - in contrast to the more belligerent attitude the Bush administration displayed in its dealings with Iraq.

His latest comments follow his widely reported statement from an interview in Vanity Fair last month, in which he said that "for reasons that have a lot to do with the US government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on: weapons of mass destruction."

Prior to that, his boss, Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, had already undermined the British government's position by saying Saddam Hussein may have destroyed his banned weapons before the war.

The Guardian says that Wolfowitz's frank assessment of the importance of oil could not come at a worse time for the US and UK governments, which are both facing fierce criticism at home and abroad over allegations that they exaggerated the threat posed by Saddam Hussein in order to justify the war.

Wolfowitz is viewed as one of the most hawkish members of the Bush administration. The 57-year old expert in international relations was a strong advocate of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq.

Following the September 11 terror attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon, Wolfowitz pledged that the US would pursue terrorists and "end" states' harbouring or sponsoring of militants.


104 posted on 06/05/2003 8:01:37 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Michael81Dus
We had the sanctions. I can´t see what he meant with the oil. Iraq is rich of oil, ok. But Iraq was poor because of the sanctions (as we saw when the hungry Iraqi soldiers surrendered).

The sanctions were a joke. We only stopped the illegal flow of oil when we showed up in person to shut down the pipeline!

And the Oil-for-Food program, another joke. More billions into Saddam's pocket.

The Iraqi soldiers weren't starving because there was no money to feed them. There was plenty of money. Plenty of food and medicine, too. Tyrants use rationing and starvation to control their populations. The welfare of individuals is completely irrelevant in the Baath ideology.

Oh, there was plenty of money for illegal weapons, and for working with bio and chemical weapons, and for paying $50,000 bounties to the families of suicide bombers, and for harboring terrorists in style, and for Salman Pak...

105 posted on 06/05/2003 8:02:50 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: Michael81Dus
Yeah, right.

Your (apparent) opinion that Saddam was not ripping off the Iraqi people and diverting oil money and oil for food resources to arms, palaces and patronage to murderous thugs, rapists and torturers is duely noted.

106 posted on 06/05/2003 8:04:50 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Michael81Dus
His point is that North Korea has literally nothing to sell that anyone wants, unlike Iraq, which was rolling in oil cash even during the "sanctions".

The only thing North Korea and Iraq have in common is that both heads of state were friggin' lunatics. They have to be approached differently for that reason.
107 posted on 06/05/2003 8:13:07 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: Stultis
the newspaper has now removed the article from its web site, and will print a full correction in Friday's edition. According to the Guardian's ombudsman, the quote, "Let's look at it simply. The most important difference between North Korea and Iraq is that economically, we just had no choice in Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil," was taken out of context, and misconstrued

Mr. Ombudsman never replied to my email. Maybe it was found a wee bit intemperant? (hehehe)

108 posted on 06/05/2003 8:14:12 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis; areafiftyone
Well, well. Al-Guardian's going to retract.

I can hardly wait until tomorrow to see how badly they screw that up. :D
109 posted on 06/05/2003 8:14:51 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: Stultis
Why that "not"? Saddam has taken money for his own advantage (such as building bunkers, palaces), tried to buy WMD materials, etc.
110 posted on 06/05/2003 8:15:19 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
Why that "not"?

In response to your "Yeah, sure" when I said the same thing you are now conceding.

111 posted on 06/05/2003 8:17:12 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: hellinahandcart
there are other differences, such as: N Korea HAS nukes...
112 posted on 06/05/2003 8:18:12 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Stultis
I never said the opposite of your words. You made a more precise statement on my "Iraq".
113 posted on 06/05/2003 8:18:58 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
When we say "yeah, right" in the US, it is a sarcastic response meaning "you can't possibly be serious".

That's what I thought you meant too.
114 posted on 06/05/2003 8:19:28 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: Michael81Dus
Maybe it's a cultural thing. When an American says, "Yeah, sure," it's a form of sarcasm which actually means they don't agree.
115 posted on 06/05/2003 8:21:20 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: hellinahandcart
TWINK!
116 posted on 06/05/2003 8:22:18 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Michael81Dus
there are other differences, such as: N Korea HAS nukes...

Which made the Left's insistence that we drop what we were doing in Iraq and go "take care" of North Korea forthwith, rather inexplicable.

Kim Jong Il would use the weapons. They have to be removed as a factor before any military action. It's that simple.

117 posted on 06/05/2003 8:23:26 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: hellinahandcart; Stultis
strange language. ;-) No, I meant what I said ("Yeah, right"), and that was NOT sarcastic.
118 posted on 06/05/2003 8:23:44 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Stultis
Jinx!
119 posted on 06/05/2003 8:23:58 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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To: Michael81Dus
No, I meant what I said ("Yeah, right")

No, what you meant was "oh yeah, that's right".

That's different.

120 posted on 06/05/2003 8:25:52 AM PDT by hellinahandcart (Stop Unnecessary Excerpting!)
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