New study pits Neurologists vs. Chiropractors

BostonGlobe ^ | 5/27/2003 | Stephen Smith

[putupon]

Thanks for the reply, DOs are the best and they do appreciate it when patients notice. I've never known one that had that snotty "I am God" bedside manner that some Allopathic practitioners have.

[Mamzelle]

If PT didn't have its own risks of injury, it wouldn't be a profession. I'm not confusing the two. Conventional MDs would rather work with PTs than chiros. But are you saying there aren't cautions to observe?

There are so many anecdotal claims of relief from pain from chiros, that's it's a least worth a look to see how valid they are.

[Mamzelle]

re: I've never known one that had that snotty "I am God" bedside manner )))

You may have used many a DO who you thought was an MD, snot included. After a year or two in practice, it is very hard to tell them apart. Snotty is as snotty does.

[putupon]

DO who you thought was an MD

I'm married to a DO, I know the difference.

[Lady Eileen]

bump...thanks for the post.

[Mamzelle]

I'm sure you do, mostly because you see from close range. How many others do? In many corporate groups of physicians, there are mixtures of DOs and MDs without much interest from anyone. And, snottiness transcends letters at the end of one's name.

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

I had a chiropractor work on my alignment after my first pregnacy. I loved going, felt better, and my skepticism wore off.

My question to you (welcome aboard, btw :)) and any FReeper chiropractors...

Can anyone explain to me, what the heck it was that this guy and his wife were trying to prove to me in the following example?:

Mr. Chiro had me do some strength tests with my legs. Then like a magician's assistant, in came Mrs. Chiro to "interpret" my ailments and weakness by "reading" me via energy or something which traveled through a human chain.

What in the heck was that? I thought I was involved in an alien encounter.

Something else baffling me most right now, is how you posted before you became a FReeper (lol!).

[Twinkie]

The call them "subluxations" and that's true it's just about
the same diagnosis. I've been helped for a neck condition,
but the chiropractor we went to ended up by making "cash
cows" out of us by insisting on monthly visits for six years. My husband dropped out a couple of years before I
did. I finally had a heart attack and two stents in my
heart a few months ago. I don't blame the chiropractor, but
I don't feel like having my spine pounced upon any more.

[putupon]

And, snottiness transcends letters at the end of one's name

Bedside manner is often influenced by the patient's behavior. Patients with snotty attitudes that are not adjusted after an example of a friendly, upbeat physician's bedside manner is returned, will more than likely be diagnosed with rectal optosis, for which there is no cure.

The physician will waste no more energy trying to help the patient with the RO problem, and will stick strictly to the business at hand, which is to address whatever the patient is seeking treatment for.

[longshadow]

In chiropractic we have just the opposite, the basic philosophy behind it hasn't changed at all since its "discovery".

Nor is there any scientiific evidence for the phenomona that it claims are responsible for the maladies it "treats."

In short, the entire underlying foundation of Chiropathy has no demonstrable existence in fact. What's worse; a large segment of the folks "practicing" this witchcraft don't seem to be bothered by this in the least.

[DensaMensa]

}the entire underlying foundation of Chiropathy has no demonstrable existence in fact. What's worse; a large segment of the folks "practicing" this witchcraft don't seem to be bothered by this in the least.

And that's not all. Those who are not cured by the promotional genius of conventional medicine but who do obtain great relief from Chiropractic aren't bothered by it either. Sometimes the "smart" folks aren't so smart after all.

[kstewskis]

If PT didn't have its own risks of injury, it wouldn't be a profession. I'm not confusing the two. Conventional MDs would rather work with PTs than chiros. But are you saying there aren't cautions to observe?

Of course I'm not saying that, nor did I indicate that in my post. I only asked you to be more specific as to your claims of "risks" in physical therapy. Your only risk in physical therapy is that you better be working with a PT who knows what they are doing, and not there to "skim off the top" like some other health care professionals do.

Yes, PT's work closely with MD's, usually as their "liason" between them and their patients, as to how one is progressing in rehab.

After surgeries, PT's work closely with the surgeon, and usually there are "risks," guidelines, what have you, established per the proceedure, to help direct the level and appropriateness of care. A competent PT has no difficulty with that. Any "risk" involved is usually due to the part of a reckless PT.

There are so many anecdotal claims of relief from pain from chiros, that's it's a least worth a look to see how valid they are.

I agree. They have a great deal to offer in the health care industry, and not all of them should be completely written off as "quacks." As long as they have had the valid, scientific studies to prove what they do is beneficial, (and not harmful) I have no problem with it.

[Woahhs]

Perhaps, or maybe you aren't explaining yourself very well.

No. What I was doing was giving you credit for being able to infer from clear, somewhat esoteric examples. But as par for the course with memebers of your profession (pun intended), you expect me to drag it out of you, kicking and screaming...as proven by your following sentence:

You are saying, because it took hundreds of years to develop the germ theory, or the pharmacology of certain drugs, we should excuse chiropractic.

See, you didn't have near the trouble you feigned.

Well, my initial point still stands.

Gee! For some reason, I didn't see that one coming.

Traditional medicine has evolved over the years as people studied and experimented and changed minds.

Yes it did, but it didn't have a powerful interest group doing it's level best to cripple it while it was developing. It also didn't have to rely on a system of remuneration designed for, and heavily influenced by, another branch of healthcare while it was developing. The biggest difference between you and them is time.

In chiropractic we have just the opposite, the basic philosophy behind it hasn't changed at all since its "discovery".

What is the error in that philosopy?

[Old Professer]

If you're content to tell patients "heart attack makes your left arm hurt," you've already signed-off on the principle behind Chiropractic treatment.

Knotheads give me a pain in the arse, do I need a chiropractor?

[Old Professer]

Seriously, I am honestly curious what the public perception is of our education.

Alternatively, post a typical C.V.

[Old Professer]

It would be as if MDs hadn't yet identified the germ theory.

Where do you stand in the SARS arena? On the Corona virus side, or in the idiopathic jungle?

[Old Professer]

Closer to abstruse.

[Woahhs]

Knotheads give me a pain in the arse, do I need a chiropractor?

Since you asked, I think you'd be better served by a few fingers of Kentucky sour mash whiskey.

[Old Professer]

Bedside manner is often influenced by the patient's behavior. Patients with snotty attitudes that are not adjusted after an example of a friendly, upbeat physician's bedside manner is returned, will more than likely be diagnosed with rectal optosis, for which there is no cure.

Sounds like you suffer from "Spasmodic Torticollis."

[TomB]

Where do you stand in the SARS arena? On the Corona virus side, or in the idiopathic jungle?

On the RIGHT side of the Pacific Ocean.

;-)