Muslim cites beliefs as ID photo trial begins (new revelations)

MIami Herald ^ | May 28, 2003 | PHIL LONG

[FairOpinion]

Note that apparently her religion doesn't keep her from abusing children...

"Freeman acknowledged she was photographed without a veil after her arrest in 1998 in Decatur, Ill., on a domestic battery charge involving one of the twin 3-year-old sisters who were in her foster care.

The Associated Press reported that the children were removed from her home. Child-welfare workers told investigators in Decatur that Freeman and her husband had used their claims of religious modesty to hinder them from looking for bruises on the girls, according to Decatur police records.

Thorpe didn't allow many of the facts about Freeman's arrest into evidence."

[zip]

I didn't realize that you could pick and choose which laws you wanted to obey and which ones you don't regard as appropriate. I think I'll drive 100 MPH and tell the court it is my inner religion coming out. Think it will work?

[Zavien Doombringer]

Hmmm, Driving is a priviledge, not a right. Besides, if she is that fundamental in her faith, she isn't allowed to drive anyway!

[TheCrusader]

If she really wants to practice her newfound faith as a Muslim woman, then she should give up driving altogher. No Muslim nations allow women to drive. She also should never be seen with a man in public, unless it's her husband or father or brother. Otherwise, she is violating a major tenet of veiled Muslim women.

[MarkT]

Depending on the outcome of this case, I see shortly there shall be a case in which because of a nervous disorder, a person will be able to completely cover his face (okay, maybe peep holes for the eyes) rather than be photographed for a license, passport, etc. The ACLU will rush to the assistance of this dis-abled victim and pronounce that the State has no compelling interest in humiliating the individual, etc. Maybe we could start a pool on how long it will take for this to occur - there is no doubt it will occur, only the timing is in doubt.

[Sir Gawain]

What is she doing speaking in public? She needs a beating. Where's the husband?

[Zavien Doombringer]

If there is a ruling in favor of her, I will be the first to don on my Freddy Kruger mask and redo my License!!!

[aardvark1]

Your papers, please...

I heard this ACLU guy say last night on a news program that FL has issued "millions" of non-photo DL's that are still valid. I have to say, that if what he says is true, then she has a right to gripe, legit or not.

[Drango]

When she buys an item like cereal that has a person's photograph on the box, she crosses off the face with a magic marker.

OK I can accept some religious beliefs, but this says dingbat and I don't think it's in the Koran.

[theFIRMbss]

>I think I'll drive 100 MPH and tell the court it is my inner religion coming out...

"We in the Church of the Divine Loony
believe in the power of prayer
to turn the head purple! Ha, ha, ha . . . "

[Howlin]

Absolutely!

[Zavien Doombringer]

Well, Florida did issue the first license with the viel, then revoked it after 9-11. That would be a bit hypocritical. Though it should have never been issued in the first place.

[alloysteel]

No picture, no driver's license. Apparently, this is more an attempt to conceal links with other forms of bad behavior, than it is modesty in any sense. Conformity is the means to obtaining privilege in this society. Non-conformists are denied privilege. Privilege is defined as in excess of basic rights, to be granted a preference over another.

[Lijahsbubbe]

On the witness stand, Freeman said she has no photos in her house. When she buys an item like cereal that has a person's photograph on the box, she crosses off the face with a magic marker

And they let this kook have foster children? Boy, we really screen these foster parents well, don't we? So she was photographed w/o a veil when she was charged with domestic battery? Guess the "I'm so religious" angle doesn't go over well with that deal.

I'm curious to find out what she did to the little girl. How is that considered domestic battery, and not child abuse?

[dennisw]

She's looking to make some $$$$ out of a lawsuit on this most compelling issue. (/sarcasm)

[Alouette]

This is pure BS. I go to the mall in Dearborn, Michigan and the Muslim ladies wear head scarves but not face masks. This is not a religious requirement but an optional stringency.

What most Muslim women wear:

A face covering like the one below would make operating a vehicle difficult by blocking perpheral vision. Definitely a road hazard.

[LanPB01]

"the ultimate in self-respect and feminism"

Well, there's a statement I never expected to see from someone defending their Muslim faith. "The ultimate in subservience and being made the property of my male master", maybe.

[PALACE ATHENA]

what else can you expect from a state that srew up the elctions?

[lady lawyer]

Thorpe is deciding the case. Even if the prior arrests don't go into the record, Thorpse knows about them.

I hope Thorpe doesn't being the process of Islamicizing our laws.

[lady lawyer]

That's "doesn't BEGIN the process"