Lesbian Catholic religious education coordinator denied award from the Archdiocese of St. Paul

The Star Tribune ^ | 02.22.03

[Coleus]

A Catholic religious education coordinator was denied an award from the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis Wednesday evening because she is a lesbian, prompting a protest at the dinner honoring the other 17 recipients.

About 200 members of St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church demonstrated Wednesday night in support of Kathy Itzin, the church's religious education coordinator. Itzin, a member of St. Joan's, was to be one of 18 archdiocesan workers honored for their work in teaching young people about the faith. She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.

[AppyPappy]

promotes "gay pride"

How can you have pride in something over which you swear you have no control?

[AppyPappy]

For the same reason they could take away the award if she were in the Klan.

[ThomasMore]

The bishop needs to get rid of the priest first. Then get someone in to correct the error. Those who refuse to accept Church teaching will leave (they were never really in).

[Aquinasfan]

She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.

What the hell is she doing teaching religious ed? This is pathetic.

[txzman]

Itzin said, "I've tried to live a life of integrity.

Unfortunately, the Modern Catholicism for many: "I'm a good person so I get to go to heaven". Why is that people can't understand that the Bible unequivocally states for itself that you cannot do certain things, and that one cannot pick and choose how to believe in Jesus Christ. It may be hard for many, but choose another God if you can't handle the manual!

[Aquinasfan]

and Bishop Reilly who cancelled his appointment to speak at a graduation when he found out the college supported a non-Catholic doctrine -- I can't remember for sure, but I think it had something to do with abortion.

Yup. Abortion. Chris Matthews was going to be given an alumni award at Holy Cross College here in Worcester. The bishop boycotted. Didn't budge the board or President, who is a Jesuit priest, BTW. Barf.

[RomanCatholicProlifer]

You are right, God has given us ALL certain crosses to bear.For these people who have the unhealthy inclination toward homosexuality to give into the sin is wrong, and it should be discouraged, not applauded.

[Coleus]

Thanks, I don't like to do doubles it wastes my time and FR's bandwith. It's getting too complicated and taking too much time to check each section for a search. I checed the news/activism section. You posted it on the religion thread, that's why I didn't see it when I did a search for the article on the FR. It was much easier when FR didn't have a separate section for religion. I wouldn't have put it there since "homosexuality" is also a societal and political issue and not just a "religious" or a "Catholic" issue.

[Coleus]

"A" church and not "THE" church allowed this. The hierarchy of the RCC "ends" with the bishop who represents "the" church and did the right thing after "his" flock complained "justifiably" so. Being homosexual or black is not against the RCC, the church states that homosexuality is not a proper way of life or being and that one must remain celibate. Openly practicing and promoting homosexuality is against the RCC so the Bishop is right.

[Man_of_Reason]

I agree her lifestyle is wrong. But there seems to be a greater wrong here. She did good work for the church. It is commonly known she is a lesbian. It was announced she is going to get an award for her good work for the church. Then it is announced the award is retracted because she is a lesbian. Her work is still good regardless. The award was not retracted because of her work, it's not because she is a lesbian (this was known already), it's because it's bad public relations. This is unjust prejudice. They can give her the award for the work and also denounce her lifestyle at the same ceremony.

[Man_of_Reason]

Without the help of grace, men would not know how "to discern the often narrow path between the cowardice which gives in to evil, and the violence which under the illusion of fighting evil only makes it worse."13 This is the path of charity, that is, of the love of God and of neighbor. Charity is the greatest social commandment. It respects others and their rights. It requires the practice of justice, and it alone makes us capable of it.

[AppyPappy]

You cannot give her the award without supporting her lifestyle. It's like giving the Klan an award for cleaning the highway. She put her lifestyle on exhibit for everyone to see. You cannot separate her from it now.

[jimt]

Without the help of grace, men would not know how "to discern the often narrow path between the cowardice which gives in to evil, and the violence which under the illusion of fighting evil only makes it worse."13 This is the path of charity, that is, of the love of God and of neighbor. Charity is the greatest social commandment. It respects others and their rights. It requires the practice of justice, and it alone makes us capable of it.

This is not "reason", it is sophistry.

The fact that I was a popular Sunday School teacher and well liked in my church (not Catholic) did not change the fact that I was having unmarried relations with my girlfriend and was utterly unrepentant about it. In short, I was a hypocrite, and unfit for the Sunday School job and certainly any award.

This babe is no different. Her complete and utter disregard for fundamental tenets of her supposed faith make her an utter hypocrite, regardless of how popular she is in her local parish. She is unrepentant, and unfit to receive ANY religious reward. She is even unfit to remain a member of the parish or the Catholic church.

Hypocrisy is not an option. She has no "right" to unrepentantly commit mortal sin after mortal sin. To suggest she does is the antithesis of justice, completely negates the church's teaching, and makes "Catholic" a total farce. Any parish that tolerates this kind of garbage should be holding Sabbats, not Masses.

[Man_of_Reason]

Good point. So why did the people of the parish only complain when she was to recieve the award? Why did they not complain when the lesbian first entered teaching? Their cowardice in the sins of omission let the evil enter. Now, to fight this evil, they wish to deny the woman's good works. They are correcting evil with evil. The fact they let her teach supported her lifestyle. Have they not sinned once, but twice?

[Coleus]

it's because it's bad public relations>>>

No, it's standing in line with the laws of the RCC...Her lifestyle and values are not in concert with the Holy See and the "Pastor" the Bishop, the bottom line, did what he had to do.

the rest of your post is redundant since you gave the same argument on previous posts on this link.

Catholic religious education coordinator>>>>
She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.>>>>
who is openly rejecting the teaching of the church >>>

She's not in concert with the Holy See, living a non-practicing Catholic Lifestyle slapping the Church and Jesus in the face with this sodomistic lifestyle. Her work isn't good since she is not living a "Catholic" lifestyle, she is openly living in sin. Her work is the work of Satan.. No award is deserved. Her job and work and lifestyle is a fraud and demonic.

[pbear8]

"Hate is Not a Catholic Value."

Sin is not a Catholic value.

[ninenot]

Your analogy is wrong.

Better: hetero male hired for job as DirRelEduc at a Catholic Church. Dumps wife, jumps student in program, makes it clear he's done so, "marries" student w/out annulment.

Bishop refuses to award the adulterer a prize for 'teaching excellence.'

NOW you have an analogy.

[Coleus]

Good Point.