Cardinal's anti-gay comment sparks protest

Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 5/22/03 | CARLOS CAMPOS

[madprof98]

"These things are exactly what he's paid to say," Ingebretsen said. "(But) it's a graduation; why he decided to do the pro-family thing no one seems to know."

This is what's left of Christian faith at the school which hosts The Kennedy School of Ethics.

[OpusatFR]

"Susan Gibbs, spokeswoman for the Catholic archdiocese of Washington, said Arinze has a "deep perspective" through his longtime work in the church with many cultures.."

Yup. And the teaching of Christ are the rock. They do offend many don't they?

[mrs. a]

I don't understand this. Why ask a Catholic cardinal to speak and then express shock and surprise when he says things in line with his Catholic faith?



Sheesh.

[lady lawyer]

Damn queers.

[Pete]

The truth hurts.

Imagine if he had told them that they are condemned sinners, doomed on their own, in need of salvation and to repent and ask God for his grace and forgiveness through Jesus Christ.

They would have blown a gasket.

[Adder]

Gee, do you think maybe a "pro-family" theme might be a good thing to speak of to young adults about to enter the real world? Was it only supposed to be how to make money?

I am glad people were "upset". They need to have their noses constantly rubbed in their absurdity. To say that marriage is being mocked by 'mos is very accurate. A good analogy would be that it is akin to satanic rituals that mimic catholic Mass.

[reegs]

Ingebretsen said he was compelled, as a writer, to post a short apology on the e-mail subscription list "on behalf of Catholics" for Arinze's "insensitive remarks." Ingebretsen said the remarks were "un-Christian."

Mr. Ingebretsen, please do not include an apology on my behalf, as the Cardinal's words were completely true, totally in line with the Church's teachings (which you seem to need a brush-up on) and are only insensitive to those who stand opposed to the family and the truth.

[Loyalist]

I bet the Kennedy Center people chose Cardinal Arinze because they thought he'd be a politically correct multiculturalist progressive, just as they all imagine that black Africans are.

There's little difference between saying 'They all look the same to me' and 'They all think the same to me.'

[chatham]

This is the same "School" where the administration had to have a vote as to whether they would continue to hang Crucifixes in the classrooms.
How can they call themselves a Catholic School??
All of the fools who appeared insulted should quit and go to a secular school, they are evidently not Catholis

[Jim Noble]

Ed Ingebretsen, a professor of English at Georgetown and a priest in the American Catholic Church

What is the "American Catholic Church"?

[AppyPappy]

"[T]herefore the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit is not going on [in a church full of people who are not genuinely converted]," the pastor says, "and you're going to be dealing with sinful people who then are in increasingly important positions in the church and defining what the church is."....Dr. John MacArthur

[Jim Noble]

Why ask a Catholic cardinal to speak and then express shock and surprise when he says things in line with his Catholic faith?

Because Georgetown, and BC, and Notre Dame, and Holy Cross, have perfected the "wink and a nod" school of Catholicism, where you say that you are faithful to the Church at the appropriate times-but everyone knows you are not.

For chronic and habitual liars, the truth is always shocking.

[sinkspur]

McAuliffe, a specialist in Islamic studies, invited Arinze -- president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue -- to speak on Christian-Muslim relations at the school's graduation ceremonies last Saturday. Instead, the Nigerian prelate told the graduates that happiness is found not in the pursuit of material wealth or pleasures of the flesh, but by fervently adhering to religious beliefs.

If Arinze agreed to speak on Christian/Muslim relations, then he fibbed, didn't he, especially if the University promised the students that's what he was going to speak about?

Most college students don't remember a single word of what's said in a commencement address, and it appears the same is true in this case. All the comments are from professors.

[tractorman]

Christians protesting Christ's commands.

"You shall know them by their fruits "

Amen!

[Jim Noble]

A good analogy would be that it is akin to satanic rituals that mimic catholic Mass

Denying the Creator's handiwork with your mouth and denying it with your flesh are two versions of the same act.

[NYFriend]

I don't know if the article is being careless in it's wording, but there is an American Catholic Church, which is not in communion with the Church of Rome, and is a very liberal denomination that has adopted the trappings and rituals of the Catholic Church. What tends to happen is gays and divorcees, who find limited acceptance in the Catholic Church, but would be uncomfortable with the unfamiliar practices of the more liberal protestant groups, join these American Catholic Churches. You get the symbols without the rules.

[McBuff]

The Cardinal's comments were not "anti-gay." They were pro-family, as he cited a list of major dysfunctions that adversely effect the family.

When we accept, out of hand, the validity of a "Gay" identity, we, unwittingly, embolden those who insist that when anyone characterizes homosexuality in a negative light they are engaged in the violation of rights.

The point is, we are all endowed with rights via our humanity, not any particular behavior. Thus the criticism of behavior by virtue of one's own moral code DOES NOT VIOLATE ANYONE'S HUMAN RIGHTS!

[sinkspur]

I am glad people were "upset". They need to have their noses constantly rubbed in their absurdity.

Being invited into someone's house and agreeing to speak about one thing, then speaking about something else is, technically, lying.

Also, "rubbing people's noses" in anything is generally counterproductive, as this incident perfectly illustrates.

[raybbr]

...have blown a gasket.

Verb choice on purpose???? :-}

[shhrubbery!]

"These things are exactly what he's paid to say," Ingebretsen said. "(But) it's a graduation; why he decided to do the pro-family thing no one seems to know."

Duh, professor Ingbretson. What would a more 'appropriate' graduation speech be -- an anti-war diatribe, perhaps?

And note the not-so-subtle denigration of the cardinal's sincerity of belief in that remark, "[That's] what he's paid to say."