Col. Tim Probed on War Crimes (Set-Up Barf Alert?)

The Sun ^ | 21 May 2003 | JOHN KAY

[SkyPilot]

Folks, I have no idea if these allegations are true. But, something is highly suspect about one of the great heroes of the Iraq War suddenly being the target of these incredible charges. I know that Lt Col Collins speech and justification of the war infuriated many anti-war activists and liberals on both sides of the Atlantic---because he was so effective and such a symbol of what was good about the war.

Your thoughts?

[SkyPilot]

Ivan,

I searched and this was not posted...what do you think?

[facedown]

Balderdash. The usual "allegations by unnamed sources".

[Pukin Dog]

Just another sign of Liberal desperation.

The charges will be proven false, but it makes no difference. Liberals will have a new talking point, and suggest that the investigation only covered up serious offenses.

Things like this should only serve to point out just how damaged Liberals are by the actions of our President. They are really on the defensive with their backs against the wall.

Expect more of the same.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Damn, what next, it will be revealed he actually shot Sadaminites during the conflict???

[SkyPilot]

The usual "allegations by unnamed sources".

I must admit those are my initial feelings as well. First, it seems to much of a coincidence that such a high profile figure is singled out. After the antics of Galloway and other scum surfaced, nothing, and I mean nothing will surpirse me concerning the scum that is the ideological enemy of freedom (liberals).

Secondly, what would it take for a nefarious reporter to get some Iraqis who have an ax to grind to "come forward" with allegations? A pack of cigarettes and a bag of rice? Maybe?

Finally, history has proven that you can almost accomplish the same devastation through a smear campaign as you can with actual proof. Remember the Reagan official who was exonnerated, and went before the cameras and asked:

"Can you all now tell me where I go to get my reputation back?"

The sound of cricketts was heard from the gathered Press Gallery.

[facedown]

First, it seems to much of a coincidence that such a high profile figure is singled out.

That's how they always do it. After all, those dopes in Belgium are trying to indict Tommy Franks, for crying out loud!

[SkyPilot]

Ya know, I heard this charge on AP Radio News, and they even mentioned that it came from "A British Newspaper."

Now, I have nothing agains The Sun per se, but it always seemed to me that their readers had quite a bit of Jerkins lotion on their fingers as they typed.

But referring to The Sun as the British Press is like referring to Hustler as a "News Magazine"--which ABC did at the height of the Impeachment.

[G L Tirebiter]

Oh, please...

Sun = Hustler?

I think not. While the U.K. tabloid is filled with over the top celeb and sports coverage - and a smattering of T&A - it's nothing like Flynt's filth.

And they like nothing better than a good excuse to wave the Union Jack or bash the froggies.

[trebb]

Your thoughts?

The fact that the accusers were not identified sets off the left-wing-liberal-commie alarms in my mind...

[facedown]

...referring to Hustler as a "News Magazine"--which ABC did at the height of the Impeachment.

LOL! I hadn't heard that but it's true to form.

The latest on the Franks situation: Belgian government refers war crimes complaint against Gen. Franks to U.S.; lawyer to appeal

[BlessedBeGod]

The Sun is okay, along with The Telegraph.

[Jeff Head]

I have his speech, along with the U.S. Marine General's eve of battle speech (which I thouhgt was just as good BTW)... HERE

I cannot imagine this LtC violating his own instructions to his troops and hope he gets a fair and thorough investigation and hearing if it comes to that. The success of his Regiment's operations is testament in and of itself. Whatever he did, I am positive it was done in the best interest of the war effort and his own troops and I am confident that a witch hunt is probably underway to try and discredit the magnificent accomplishment of all forces involved. Don't be surprised to see more of this.

But, since the allegations have been officially raised, they must be looked into and the record cleared.

Jeff

[blau993]

Drudge has this story running as well, and his link is to the Evening Telegraph. I think the story is on the wire and multiple papers are picking it up.

[husky ed]

Damn, he may have pointed his finger at someone to. String the bastard up.</end sarcasm>

As I've said before, ain't none of these reporters anygood. The troops should be kicking the shite out of each and everyone.

[ohioman]

I think he has a few enemies that would like to get rid of him, most likely they are jealous. This sounds like the BS witch hunt which occurred against Patton for slapping two chickenshit soldiers.

[SkyPilot]

Yes, Drudge has a link to This is London running the story (adjacent to a window that says "Elle Strips Naked")

They elaborate on the charge, one being that he was physical with a "civic leader." Hmmm. Wouldn't any "civic leader" in Saddam's Iraq be just a tad corrupt and brutal? Possibly?

The other charges of discharging those nasty weapons at "tyres and the ground" I will have to contemplate. But after watching the dreadful Stoning in Iran streaming video yesterday, it does all seem a bit tame by comparison (if the charges are true).

[SkyPilot]

witch hunt which occurred against Patton for slapping two chickenshit soldiers.

I thought of that parallel also. I saw Patton in theaters years and years ago, when I was a boy (my father took me). When George C. Scott slapped the soldier, people in the theater cheered. I later discovered they were vets from my hometown (Syracuse NY) who had fought in the Battle of the Bulge.

[Travis McGee]

All he has to do is announce that he's gay and the story will go away.