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Bush makes sure gun lobby gets what it wants
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 5/20/2003 | Tom (Fear Monger extraordinaire) Teepen

Posted on 05/21/2003 7:25:40 AM PDT by Joe Brower

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To: Wonder Warthog
can i have your window stickers?
41 posted on 05/21/2003 8:39:10 AM PDT by gdc61 (the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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To: Wright is right!
Remember what some noted New York liberal said after Reagan carried 49 states. "I cannot BELIEVE Reagan won by a landslide. I don't know a SINGLE PERSON who voted for Reagan"

The late Pauline Kael, the insanely liberal movie reviewer for decades at The New York Slimes newspaper, actually made this comment about Nixon's after his win in '72.

42 posted on 05/21/2003 8:43:08 AM PDT by justanotherfreeper
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To: Skywalk
ALL guns are made to kill people

Naw, my rifle was made to kill Bambi's.

43 posted on 05/21/2003 8:43:29 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: Pylot
I can't wait until the 2004 elections here in Texas. The dims thought their little roadtrip to Oklahoma was a lot of fun until the list of Bills that failed to be voted on are published. Plus, the dollar amount it's going to cost the state to have a special session.
44 posted on 05/21/2003 8:45:25 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Joe Brower
The atlanta-URINAL-UNCONSTITUTIONAL leaks another LIE

Nothing to see here, next thread please...

45 posted on 05/21/2003 8:47:03 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Puppage
Pools kill more. They are deadly!
46 posted on 05/21/2003 8:47:59 AM PDT by smith288 (Why do liberals believe every ammendment is personal but the 2nd?)
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To: Joe Brower
"Bush makes sure gun lobby gets what it wants"

And We the People thank him for standing up for our rights.
47 posted on 05/21/2003 8:50:39 AM PDT by TheDon ( It is as difficult to provoke the United States as it is to survive its eventual and tardy response)
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To: ASA Vet
the 2nd ammendment was made to keep the politicians in check by knowing an armed people they represent is back home keeping a close eye. It has nothing to do with hunting and should never be part of the argument. But I digress.
48 posted on 05/21/2003 8:51:43 AM PDT by smith288 (Why do liberals believe every ammendment is personal but the 2nd?)
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To: ASA Vet
Ok, maybe I should say living things ? ;)
49 posted on 05/21/2003 9:02:04 AM PDT by Skywalk
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I would like to take the opportunity here to ask all Gun Owners here to find 2 friends who are not gun enthusiasts and make every attempt to turn them into one. Our strength lies in our numbers and the more numbers we have the further back we can push idiotic laws like this AWB.

Can you imagine if our numbers could double in 5 years what it would do to the Anti-Gunners? We are a force to be reckoned with now, I would love to see us as a force that is invincible.

Semper Fi

The NRA's motto should be "Teach a friend to shoot"
50 posted on 05/21/2003 9:02:51 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (I AM the NRA and I VOTE!!!)
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To: Joe Brower
Well this Jayson Blair knockoff got one thing correct. That was his analysis in his first paragraph:

"When President Bush announced a couple of weeks ago that he wouldn't oppose renewal next year of the ban on semi-automatic assault weapons, you knew something fishy was up. And sure enough, here it is: Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) says that not only will the House refuse to renew the legislation. The leadership won't even let the matter come up. End of issue."

It is amazing how many guys/gals on our side can't see this political reality!



51 posted on 05/21/2003 9:14:11 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Time to visit this website and join up: http://www.georgewbush.com/)
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To: Joe Brower
Does the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation actually pay this rabid idiot to write this kind of garbage?

If so, they can be completely satisfied they are getting their money's worth of lying, Liberal invective!

52 posted on 05/21/2003 9:25:03 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: Joe Brower
I don't have the time or patience to respond to every mistake that this moron made, but two stand out:

Thus Bush escapes any blame for re-arming the nation's nut cases with weapons that can mow down school kids and postal employees wholesale ...

OK, idiot, understand the following: your beloved (and unconstitutional, as if you care) law never took a single firearm "off the street." All of the old guns are still out there, putz - they're called "pre-bans." Thanks to your stupid law, they (and the magazines that feed them) cost at least twice what they should - THAT is the only effect of the AWB. Oh, and by the way MEATHEAD, millions of brand-new, functionally-identical weapons have been produced and sold to the public since 1994, all legally. So, where's the bloodbath?

Attorney General John Ashcroft, throwing over generations of legal understanding, has declared that there is an all but abiding personal right to firearms ownership, not a right pegged to the maintenance of public security, as the Second Amendment plainly says. (So much for "original intent" when it becomes politically bothersome.)

If this shite-for-brains would bother to read the writings of the Founding Fathers (Federalist #46, by Madison, is among my favorites in this regard), or would bother to actually read the 1939 decision in the U.S. v. Miller case, he might understand what "original intent" is and might further understand that the Founding Fathers wanted the populace armed to prevent the imposition of a tyranny. Governments have powers, people have rights. Idiot.

53 posted on 05/21/2003 9:28:53 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: smith288
It has nothing to do with hunting and should never be part of the argument

I didn't argue that hunting was the reason for the 2nd.
The orginal version of my comment was

"My rifle was made for killing Bambi's.
That it is an effective sniper rifle is a bonus."

I removed the 2nd part so as not to appear totally nuts.
(I'll admit to being nuts, but not totally.)

I'm an Endowment life NRA member, a life GOA member,
and a member of MCRGO.

I have a CPL and do carry my Glock 23 almost everywhere..
The Glock was not made for killing Bambi's.

54 posted on 05/21/2003 9:29:34 AM PDT by ASA Vet ("Those who know, don't talk. Those who talk, don't know." (I'm in the 2nd group.))
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To: Joe Brower
Keep the freeping up of our elected officials. You just never know what they will do next.
55 posted on 05/21/2003 9:32:06 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Joe Brower
This is typical of the "caliber" of gun articles favored by the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation. Want to read the official view of the paper on assault weapons, entitled OUR VIEW? I've highlighted the most audacious lies in bold.

Assault weapons belong off the street, under a ban

Adolf Hitler was so delighted with the lethal capability of the new gun presented to him by his ordnance designers during World War II that he dubbed it the "Sterm Kever" (eye thunk he meens "Sturmgewehr")-- or assault rifle.

Today, assault rifles still kill efficiently and quickly, as demonstrated by the Beltway snipers. John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo allegedly wielded a .223-caliber Bushmaster XM15, an assault rifle adapted to evade the 1994 ban on assault weapons.

Even that limited ban will expire next year unless the U.S. Congress comes to its senses and votes to extend it. Most Americans assume that the ban on assault weapons was permanent and comprehensive. It was neither.

The ban lasts only 10 years, and was so slack that gun manufacturers continue to make and market assault weapons by virtue of simple modifications. The ban needs to become permanent, and its provisions need to be tightened so that weapons that are assault rifles in all but name are outlawed.

Assault rifles were created solely to kill people; today, those people are often law enforcement officers. Forty-one of the 211 U.S. police officers killed in the line of duty between 1998 and 2001 were murdered with assault rifles, according to a new analysis by the Violence Policy Center.(well if the VPC said it, it must be true)

To justify assault rifles in home arsenals, the gun industry has created sporting competitions around them and spun the myth that the high-powered weapons are the best guarantee of personal safety. But there is no reason for the average citizen to own a firearm invented to give poor marksmen in the German army a better chance of hitting their targets. If assault rifles provide the ultimate in personal protection, the streets of Baghdad would be the safest in the world rather than the most dangerous.(here we go again: the freedom to own weapons produces anarchy, yada yada)

Despite the deadly threat to police officers and civilians alike from assault rifles, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) wants to let the ban lapse and permit these killing machines to flood our streets. DeLay says he won't let the extension come up for a vote. And President Bush, who claims to favor the ban, isn't pushing Congress for an extension.

The National Rifle Association wants the assault ban lifted. In its paranoid view, the banning of Uzis one day means your Colt will be confiscated tomorrow. (hey AJC: Colts are on the ban list too, you morons) The NRA leadership insists the right to own a gun accorded Americans in the Second Amendment extends to any and all guns, even those that fire off 30 rounds in less than two seconds and murder innocent children. (WTF?!?)

That purported right is more important to the NRA than protecting police officers, disarming street gangs or safeguarding children. The gun lobby doesn't believe it has any moral or civic obligation to the community outside its membership and feels no responsibility for the victims of assault rifles.

But our senators and representatives have an obligation to the larger community. That community -- and that means all of us -- has to tell Congress and DeLay that assault weapons do not belong on our streets. (as I have often said, they belong in a gun cabinet with the other guns)

56 posted on 05/21/2003 9:34:27 AM PDT by Sender
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To: Ancesthntr
You know, if someone supporting firearms freedoms ever wrote a rant with even half as much vitriol as a typical Tom Teepen diatribe, it would be branded as "hate speech".

Once again proving beyond a doubt the utterly dispicable and dishonorable double-standards of the political left and their media cheerleaders.


57 posted on 05/21/2003 9:39:42 AM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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To: Wright is right!
Liberals have small, closed circles of like-thinking people.

I think you give them too much credit - "thinking"?? How can you call their mental dysfunction "thinking"? - LOL!!

You've nailed it, though, in that they surround themselves with others who spout the same intellectually vacuous rhetoric. Sort of like pondscum standing up for its right to float aimlessly on the surface of some fluid (poluted or not,) caring not for any possible underlying situation (i.e., extremely shallow - LOL!)!

58 posted on 05/21/2003 9:45:12 AM PDT by mil-vet
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To: Sender
Forty-one of the 211 U.S. police officers killed in the line of duty between 1998 and 2001 were murdered with assault rifles, according to a new analysis by the Violence Policy Center

Where's the data, the old analysis?
Did they rewrite their idea of an "assault rifle" to include WWII vintage weapons now, which the new Dem bill includes? Such as Garands, M1 Carbines, etc.

"Assault rifle" to A-holes is any rifle or handgun for that matter that fires a bullet.

59 posted on 05/21/2003 9:53:32 AM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: ASA Vet
No no no, I wasnt trying to flame you, I was just trying to clarify with the original post and happened to reply to the last post on the thread than go to #1.

LOL

And Im digging your 2nd line though. Should have kept it.
60 posted on 05/21/2003 10:00:39 AM PDT by smith288 (Why do liberals believe every ammendment is personal but the 2nd?)
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