TWA 800: Pilots speak out

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com ^ | May 17, 2003 | Jack Cashill

[Criminal Number 18F]

The 50 gallons is what is called "unusable" fuel -- its fuel the pumps can't reach. Every plane has some amount of unusable fuel, from the tiniest trainer (where it might be a gallon and a half) to a massive 74.

Under the conditions of TWA 800, that fuel was a thin, hot (60 degrees Centigrade) film on the bottom of the tank - good conditions for forming vapour.

I don't know where this business about fuel-pump alarms came from. The tank was deliberately left empty that day (airliners usually don't top off their tanks, they only carry enough fuel to make it to their destination, and an alternate one in case the destination closes... it costs money to haul thousands of pounds of extra fuel).

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Yasotay]

As a self stated SF "Assistant Operations and Intellience Sergeant" you post very strong arguments, but why do you ruin your case by insulting other sides that disagree with you?

[liberalnot]

i was listening to some of the reports afterwards on the radio of people involved with investigating flight 800.

i heard people who were eating dinner on their patios, at restaurants, tell their stories about seeing something rise up from the ocean and strike the plane. one woman offered photographs to the fbi, but they never came by to pick them up.

i listened to one military helicopter pilot give his eye witness account. i related it to a friend who teaches at a college. he said, "you can't trust people in the military", dismissing the report.

and, there you have it. bill clinton needed to get re-elected in 1996.

[Poohbah]

OK, this thing had a large plume, and boosted all the way to the target.

What was the launch platform?

[PatrioticAmerican]

"then the alarm should not sound alerting the pilot to pump fue"

What alarm?

[PatrioticAmerican]

Your post missed the crucial technical details. No center tank could be detonated under the same conditions that a 747 flying at 13,800 at 250+ knots would experience. It is damned cold at that altitude. Cold enough that the fuel even puts out a match.

Also, flt 800 experienced the same flight conditions that thousands of other 747s have experienced. It even experienced the same flight conditions day after day. No explosions. None.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"That's not evidence. "

Neither is a closed source. The closed source being th FBI, which denied access to others, others whose job it normally is to investigate such incidents.

Famous But Incompetents: "There is no evidence of a missile, but we won't let you investigate the wreckage. It might have been a terrorist job, but here is a video by the CIA that proves it was the center fuel tank."

[PatrioticAmerican]

Wrong. Re-entry ain't slow.

[Poohbah]

You still haven't gotten around to addressing the central issue: the only Navy SAM shooter was 200 miles away, and the missile would not have a visible plume as it intercepted TWA 800 because the booster motor had burned out quite some time before.

[Poohbah]

This wasn't an ICBM telemetry package, which has a LOT more weight available for protecting the thing. A SAM is a much smaller beastie.

[Archangelsk]

It is damned cold at that altitude. Cold enough that the fuel even puts out a match.

Thus fuel-oil heat exchangers which would probably heat vapor in addition to Jet-A.

[PatrioticAmerican]

We powered down all systems with the announcement of a no-go mission. T+12 we were told all flight dynamics were nominal. My site picked up track seconds before mission data was to be recorded. We were one of only several sites that had any mission data coverage. We had 110%.

The cartoon was that of a service truck blowing apart at the pad, and the mission controller saying, "It blew. I heard it go."

[PatrioticAmerican]

"But only if the missile hits at a relatively low velocity."

Slow velocity means it crushes. The faster the better for survival. Where did you get the slower thing?

[Poohbah]

Slow velocity means it crushes. The faster the better for survival.

Only if the impact speed is faster than the speed of sound in the hardware of the telemetry package, otherwise it just means that the shockwave is steeper.

[Slyfox]

Bill Clinton was an utter failure as a president and as an American. He governed by polls and appeasement, never by decision

Actually, he did not govern. He let Hillary set the agenda. She made all the decisions and finding the truth about Flight 800 was not on her radar screen.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"What was the launch platform?"

Excellent question. If a missile was the source of the plume, where from and what was it. What was its target, if any. Who fired it?


Here is the real question: The plume was NOT the 747, so what was it. The FBI tried to get that crazy CIA video to tell people that the plume was the 747. That a 747, without its nose section, could climb 3,000 feet. etc, etc, etc.

BS.

So, what was the source of the plume? Excellent question.

[PatrioticAmerican]

"Navy SAM shooter"

I never said it was a a Navy shot. It could have been, and, no, the only SAM shooter wasn't 200 miles away, but, I do believe, only 35 miles away.

Question for you: What was the purpose of the Navy operation being conducted that evening?

[PatrioticAmerican]

"Only if the impact speed is faster than the speed of sound in the hardware of the telemetry package, otherwise it just means that the shockwave is steeper.
"

Wrong. Physics, my FRiend, physics. F = MA. Also, high velocity means that IF the package were to disintegrate, its pieces would have a better chance of moving through the 747 and not stopping to be evidence. Of course, no one will know if there really is any evidence as the FBI refuse access to anyone but themselves.

Remember, it was a center fuel tank explosion, but, no, you may not see the wreckage because it could still be a terrorist investigation.

P.S. If you private reply me an eddress, I'll send you two pictures worth looking at: An ocean and land impact of ICBM telemetry package warheads. The ocean impact is recoverable, and the land transmitted data beyond the suface, depth is classified, but you would get the picture.

[Poohbah]

I never said it was a a Navy shot. It could have been, and, no, the only SAM shooter wasn't 200 miles away, but, I do believe, only 35 miles away.

Wrong. Nearest US Navy surface combatant was the USS Normandy, 200 miles away.

Question for you: What was the purpose of the Navy operation being conducted that evening?

Good question. W-105 and W-106 were active, which are AVIATION warning areas only, not NAUTICAL warning areas.

Supposedly, this was a low-altitude CEC engagement gone sour, but the story doesn't add up if you know anything about how SM-2 actually works. Normandy would have been well over the horizon from TWA 800, so they would've needed another networked sensor to "see" the intended target.