Russia Preparing for Nuclear War Games

Newsmax.com ^ | 5-16-2003 | Newsmax Wires

[swarthyguy]

Bump.

[RusIvan]

5. On 7/16/2001, Russia and China signed an Axis treaty.++

It is not axis treaty. It is rather border demarkation and cooperation treaty. Here the text.

http://russia.shaps.hawaii.edu/fp/russia/r_c_treaty_20010716.html

[GOP_1900AD]

Gwadar's ChiCOM - Pakistani port

* The port is strategically located on the opposite end of the Gulf of Oman and the Straits of Hormuz on the mouth of the Persian Gulf.

* Building of the Karakorum Highway in the 1970s linking Xinjiang with the northern regions of Pakistan and now the proposed development of Gwadar seaport in southern Balochistan along the Arabian Sea could be another hallmark of Sino-Pakistan friendship. Needless to say that the Chinese have an admirable record of completing major projects in time with their friends. [Note - with the intense focus of the PLAAF's strategic rocket forces on TELs, as opposed to our reliance on siloed and submarine launched missiles, the intriguing possibility of various Sino-Pakistani shell games presents itself. Futhermore, whereas India in the past could regard Pakistani and PRC nuclear threats separately, with this "missile motorway" in place, the PLAAF could capitalize on its ability to preposition IRBMs, in parallel with Pakistan's, against the LOC, in advance of a southward blitz. BM]

* The Chinese government is providing a soft loan of $198 million while the Pakistani government has contributed $50 million for the first phase of this mega- project that would be completed in three phases in three years.

* The Chinese are also helping in laying the White Oil Pipeline project from Port Qasim near Karachi to Muhmood Kot near Multan.

* Allied to Gwadar, the coastal region of Balochistan is also expected to get an economic boost with the construction of a 700-km coastal highway, linking Karachi on the east with Jiwani to the west, close to the Iranian border.

* Establishment of railway link with Gwadar to Taftan in Iran via Saindak is being planned.

* The Saindak project aims at production of gold and blister copper. In the event a refinery is not set up in the region, the blister copper will have to be transported to China ...

* All these positive developments if and when brought to fruition may ultimately help the CARs to actively participate as ECO members and help open channels through Pakistan by minimising the Russian routes. For Afghanistan, a landlocked country and desperately needing export outlet, the construction of Gwadar port complex will help in boosting economic rehabilitation and activity. [Note - or, is this actually a means by which the Russians, in concert with CIS states, might circumvent an increasingly pro-USA alignment of nations in the Caucasus? Hmmm.... BM]

Yeah, I can already sense Poohbah's response.... "so what is so threatening about a little old port?...." ;)

[RusIvan]

All these positive developments if and when brought to fruition may ultimately help the CARs to actively participate as ECO members and help open channels through Pakistan by minimising the Russian routes.++

Sir you check the map time to time.
Between southern russian border and Pakistan lays at least 500-700 miles of territories of Central Asia.

One more on basic geography.
Caucausus lays in Europe but Pakistan in Southern Asia. It is different continents. Distanse betwenn them is not less then 1000 miles. So the conditions in Caucausus probably have little influence on conditions of Southern Asia.

[GOP_1900AD]

Yep, I know this treaty very well.....

* Article 4: The Chinese side supports the Russian side in its policies on the issue of defending the national unity and territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.The Russian side supports the Chinese side in its policies on the issue of defending the national unity and territorial integrity of the People's Republic of China. [Translation = "If the US enters into a conflict with the PRC regarding Taiwan, then Russia will help to standoff the US Navy and possibly even target US assets engaging the PRC with rockets and cruise missiles"]

* Article 5: The Russian side reaffirms that the principled stand on the Taiwan issue as expounded in the political documents signed and adopted by the heads of states of the two countries from 1992 to 2000 remain unchanged. The Russian side acknowledges that there is only one China in the world, that the People's Republic of China is the sole legal government representing the whole of China and that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China. The Russian side opposes any form of Taiwan's independence. [Translation = "So even if the US does not enter into the fray, in the event of a declaration of independence by Taiwan, Russia can and will support PRC efforts to stop any such action on the part of Taiwan"]

* Article 7: In accordance with the current agreements, the contracting parties shall adopt measures to increase trust between their militaries and reduce military forces in the border areas. The contracting parties shall expand and deepen confidence building measures in the military field so as to consolidate each other's security and strengthen regional and international stability. The contracting parties shall make efforts to ensure its own national security in accordance with the principle of maintaining reasonable and adequate weapons and armed forces.The military and military technology cooperation of the contracting parties carried out in accordance with the relevant agreements are not directed at third countries. [Translation = "In case you have not figured it out yet, this article is the most important one in the whole treaty. We have learned from the mistakes of the past and neither of us are as much of a naive bumpkin as Stalin or as much of a madman as Hitler. Therefore, there will be no reversals or backstabbing this time around!"]

* Article 8: The contracting parties shall not enter into any alliance or be a party to any bloc nor shall they embark on any such action, including the conclusion of such treaty with a third country which compromises the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of the other contracting party. Neither side of the contracting parties shall allow its territory to be used by a third country to jeopardize the national sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of the other contracting party.Neither side of the contracting parties shall allow the setting up of organizations or gangs on its own soil which shall impair the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of the other contrasting party and their activities should be prohibited. [Translation = "Um, like we were saying in Article 7, this is a blood oath. Comrades. Brothers. We rise and fall together in our undying battle against the West."]

* Article 9: When a situation arises in which one of the contracting parties deems that peace is being threatened and undermined or its security interests are involved or when it is confronted with the threat of aggression, the contracting parties shall immediately hold contacts and consultations in order to eliminate such threats. [Translation - "So, if against all current indications to the contrary, the anti-Bismarckian American shopkeepers ever do wake up and get some sense of what is awaiting them, and they somehow develop the capability to preempt us, we will become as one clenched fist, and smash the capitalist pigs in a blow unheard of ever before in history"]

* Article 10: The contracting parties shall employ and perfect the mechanism for regular meetings at all levels, above all the summit and high-level meetings, to conduct periodic exchanges of views and co-ordinate their stand on bilateral ties and on important and urgent international issues of common concern so as to reinforce the strategic cooperative partnership of equality and trust. [Translation = "Let us merge as one and win unconditionally. Together, we shall conquer the world."]

* Article 12: The contracting parties shall work together for the maintenance of global strategic balance and stability and make great efforts in promoting the observation of the basic agreements relevant to the safeguard and maintenance of strategic stability.The contracting parties shall actively promote the process of nuclear disarmament and the reduction of chemical weapons, promote and strengthen the regimes on the prohibition of biological weapons and take measures to prevent the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, their means of delivery and their related technology. [Translation = "Naturally, since one of us cheats on all such treaties, and, the other has signed almost none of them in the first place, we shall retain our ability to form our clenched fist, while the stupid, law abiding, naive cowboys in white hats unilaterally disarm. Of course, taking measures to look like we care about so called proliferation Vs. strategic placement of our capabilities in client states are completely different matters. Plus, it all depends on how you define the word proliferation!"]

* Article 14: The contracting parties shall energetically promote the consolidation of stability of the surrounding areas o the two countries, create an atmosphere of mutual understanding, trust and cooperation, and promote efforts aimed at setting up a multi-lateral co-ordination mechanism which complies with the actual situation of the above-mentioned areas on issues of security and cooperation. [Translation = "Of course, we must consolidate our control over NE Europe, SE Asia, and, eventually, neutralize all potential impediments to our consolidation of control."]

There is much, much more to this than even I have captured here ....

[GOP_1900AD]

More explicitly, oil extracted in the Caspian basin and the vast territories to the east and northeast of it, would be transported southeastward, through the backstabbing central asian republics (who have conned the US into thinking they are our friends) and then, through Afghanistan, which might ultimately fall cleanly into the hands of the Northern Alliance, led by "ex" Red Army leaders ala Gen. Dostum, and thence into ChiCOM aligned Pakistan. And naturally, with all of that language about cooperation between Russia and the PRC in nearby areas of influence, there should be no problems with Russian oil going through Pakistan and to a Chi COM port. We hereby witness the Axis Treaty of July 16, 2001 in action! As a closing thought, we in the West are naive fools to believe the lies of double crossing Musharraf. He speaks as a ally but in the geopolitical dimension, is in the wings of the Axis. When will we ever learn?

[Light Speed]

President Putin has undertaken to revamp Russia's military and bring it back to par with the U.S.

America is cleary in the Primacy position in all aspects of geostrategic imperative.

U.S. Nuclear forces game concerning Russia and China and other scenario's....NORAD runs sims all the time.

U.S. Boomers position in TVD target package locals....Russia and China try to verify as much as they can.

Logistical movement is key too...Boomers comming out of Washington State U.S. have had Canadian Frigates which do have good detection suites lock on them and play....which has created tension with the U.S...as the Boomer is revealed to who ever is interested by the Canadian ship surface activity...ie..."One just left the Barn".

U.S. does this too...Great Britian aswell...so its a mute point on any military movement being provocative...everyone wants to aquire the other guy...just to let them know they are not asleep at the wheel.

Was reading an editorial in a Russian paper..the comment..."Russia should continue to expand and enhance its strategic Space forces...as the reality can be used as a negotiation tool of strength at a later date"

[RusIvan]

Yes sir you excel yourself. You "translation" is so biased that I ever don't know what to say.

It is just like that. I meet you and ask how are you do? Your translation: He want to know how am I then if I tell him he will know then prepare attack on my vulnerable point. Better don't answer.

And naturally, with all of that language about cooperation between Russia and the PRC in nearby areas of influence, there should be no problems with Russian oil going through Pakistan and to a Chi COM port. +++

I don't understand why your empizise that moment? What difference can make russian oil in Pakistani port?
Don't mention the difficulties to build the oil pipeline trough highest mountains on the earth.

[Light Speed]

Russia does think ahead in regards to weapons systems marketed to foreign nations.

Branded often as a nation with geostrategic aspirations which are implimented by tooling up other nations...yet this is not a fair label to place on Russia's military command..export commities or Putin himself.

This can be seen in regards to China..which has been caught circumventing signed license agreements with Russia...ie..the SU 27 SK ..licensed to China under export.

China wanted Russia to sell her "Backfire Bombers"...Backfire means dash speed..which is the key to stand off launch munitions.

Russia answered..."No way"!

China is recieving the SU 30 MKK...which carries a theme that China has a real multipurpose kick ass weapon.

Yet India recieves the SU 30 MKI..which significantly zeniths SU 30 MKK's electronics and target aquisition capabilty.

Shovelling a lower rate export version to China is a hint that Russia is concerned and knows China will exploit situations.

So the image of a reckless Russia giving out strategic goodies to any who have cash is countered by real geostrategic thinking application on Russia's part.

Russia knows China will eventually R and D a dash strike bomber..so why give them an advantage...make them labor for it ..all the while staying ahead of them technologically and strategically.

India is a fairly safe customer for Russia..she can offer goods with significant punch for the dollar...but there is a risk of the technology be compromised..and winding up in Bejing anyway.

[GOP_1900AD]

RE: " Don't mention the difficulties to build the oil pipeline trough highest mountains on the earth."

Roads and pipelines make excellent companions!

[GOP_1900AD]

I do not view Russia as a reckless merchant at all. Quite to the contrary, every technology transfer is well calculated. One other consideration, not discussed much at all, it the role that Russian expats play while residing in client countries. I can think of no better strategy for developing weapons outside of the scrutiny of treaty signatories than to develop them outside of one's own borders. This is nothing new; the Germans did this 1919 - 1939.

[swarthyguy]

Well, not much, just 2 of the most important trade route choke points in the world. Straits of Hormuz and Molucca. One could discuss the implications of having Chicom companies running the Panama canal, but it's too strategic for the US to turn a blind eye there, but it could be a case of overstretch if all three are threatened at the same time.

Let's skip Suez for now.

[RusIvan]

Still same question: What difference can make any russian oil in Pakistani port?
Why Russia would be interested in that project? The TransAsian pipeline which almost all out of russian territory? Who will pay for that? If you say Russia then I very very doubt it.
FYI you never find now no russian pipeline which go abroad. Except one exclusion so which is now fixed all of them end in russian sea ports.

[GOP_1900AD]

Somebody needs to supply the PLAN fleet at the Strait of Hormuz. Naturally, Russia wants to be that "somebody!"