Saving Our Economy

My fetid brain | May 16, 2003 | Harpseal

[chit*chat]

I'm not a fan of outsourcing. I think Bush's economic plan is great and may well produce jobs, but for whom? American's or the Third World Countries?

However, I have watched our PC society/governement force American companies become social service organizations. I watched it at Boeing and know that it goes on at Exxon-Mobil and IBM, just to name a few.

Mandatory ethics (that used to be taught at home and school didn't it - and was expected to be part of one's good character??), diversity training, etc. Women take 8 weeks off prior to delivery of a child under 'disability' and then get paid for 6 weeks or so after delivery of the child. Companies worry about being sued (and losing) if one of their management employees say or exhibit any behavior considered anti PC.

And lets' not forget programs like the Black Engineers Award (nothing specifically for Greek, Italian, etc. engineers) and the payouts to certain groups to satisfy PC claims that they were underpaid, passed over for promotions, etc.

Companies are either businesses or social organizations. If I was running a business, I would take my work where the company could concentrate on business and not have to incorporate the cost of implementing PC programs into my workday. After all, who pays for all these training sessions and the time the employees are not working?

As an employee I detest outsourcing, but as a logical, thinking person I can certainly understand why business is getting driven out of this country.

[Thisiswhoweare]

Hi Harpseal, thanks for the post.

"Kicking them out of the country will do actual harm to regular Americans. -
This assertion needs proof before we maintain H1B workers in this nation."

That is ordnance on target.

Despite the often repeated assertion that H1B's actually represent free market competition, they are an artificial manipulation of the labor market. The original purpose was to alleviate shortages in some high demand professions - there is no shortage of programmers and engineers after the whopping loss of over 1.6 million jobs in the last few years.

This doesn't even begin to address the security concerns of having a South Asian or Chinese programmer working on software used by banks, government, insurance, credit and defense institutions.

[harpseal]

As an employee I detest outsourcing, but as a logical, thinking person I can certainly understand why business is getting driven out of this country.

My ten points are merely a modest proposal to try to rectify the situation by taking some of the government off the backs of businesses and dealing with the legitimate Federal issues of control of our borders, international relations and an attempt to maintain free and open markets everywhere.

[harpseal]

I was not trying to get that deeply into things I am merely making a modest proposal to rectify a situation cause by government intervention in otherwise free markets.

[Thisiswhoweare]

I understand that, I just wanted to throw that in as well.

Also on target was your comment to the aerospace worker that by throwing the low end work out to the Chinese, they were depriving American engineers of the opportunity to grow into senior engineers.

We have to watch the crocidile we are feeding here. Soon, we won't even be able to reverse the trend, we will HAVE to go overseas to find the skills.

In some ways, losing high tech is more dangerous than losing factories. We perform some our most sensitive business, financial and government operations based on the software infrastructure programmed by state sponsered individuals from our good friends: China, Russia and India.

[harpseal]

The deprivation of opportunity for recent grads is perhaps the worst part of this entire problem. We are talking software and hardware engineering which constitues the badis not just for our economy but for our military. Our future engineers need a place to start and grow so that they can become the people that develop the coming generations of technology.

Our current aerospace engineers needed the chance to grow into their jobs and yes they hated the verification grunt work they were first assigned but without excelling on those projects do they think they would have gotten to where they are today. Likewise one of the things we found was our command and control in the recent campaign in Iraq was such that our military was markedly superior to the foe.

The software had a lot to do with that. Future generations of software will be needed and it does not make sense to go abroad looking for those developers. If we have no pool of software deveopers in the USA then we will not have new software.

[harpseal]

maybe this will be of interest to you gentlemen.

[Thisiswhoweare]

Perhaps the posters would like to consider the following: The Wealth of This Nation (FR post) Thanks for the reply... "If we have no pool of software developers in the USA then we will not have new software. " Sure we will have new software...we can always buy the Chinese clone...which will promptly download that new Boeing design to the PLA ;) Which is already happening (but not in that instance).

[harpseal]

In the light of this new reality, Americans must begin doing what they must in the name of their security, their jobs, their political, social and economic progress and our national cohesion including the well being of the United States of America

Many on Free Republic do not wish to hear it but it is the truth. my paltry thread was merely a few steps on the road to getting us producing the things we must to stay a free nation.

[Thisiswhoweare]

Knowing the truth is where it all begins...FR is a great 'engine' of awareness.

[sit-rep]

Your essay is just about right... I tried to enter the field, but could not do it. So I'm back on my knees layin Tile, Marble and Terrazzo.

Since Globalism is so "In", guess I'll wait till we're all "even" before I get have a better chance.

[sit-rep]

Since Globalism is so "In", guess I'll wait till we're all "even" before I get have a better chance.

[sit-rep]

Since Globalism is so "In", guess I'll wait till we're all "even" before I get have a better chance.

(cough...)

[A. Pole]

What is needed is creativity. If you want to be a standard IT worker, you're going to be treated like a textile worker, because you are now a dime a dozen. Create, innovate, do something different: that's what the market will reward.

The creative people are a minority and this cannot be learned. The rest of the people who are not independently rich (ie who have to sell their labor) will have to live on the level of the poor in the Third World, if the nationality or borders are to be erased and labor is to become a mere commodity.

The new globalist world will be divided into three casts - those who own the wealth and hire others, those who are lucky or creative and can command high wages and the rest.

Those in the middle will live in constant fear to fall into the lower class and hope/struggle to join the upper privileged class.

The rich class will be cosmopolitan, corrupt and free from worry for economical survival, the middle class will be mobile, uprooted and servile, the lower class will be alienated, passive and demoralised.

To preserve such system the economical development will have to be inhibited in order to control the middle and to keep the poor down.

[harpseal]

Such a society as you describe can not maintain its stability. it will become a breeding ground for revolution.

[A. Pole]

Such a society as you describe can not maintain its stability. it will become a breeding ground for revolution.

Marx wanted exactly such society to come.

[FITZ]

Besides Communist China, which country is doing well from globalism?

[hedgetrimmer]

Very excellent question. I thought maybe Portugal or Spain because the English fisheries have been shut down so that they can fish more. But I don't think they are doing especially well.

When you think of all the money China has invested in our politicians, and how our politicians have invested in China (Dick Blum Mr Diane Feinstein for one) you can see why China has most favored nation status.

[Starwind]

The new globalist world will be divided into three casts - those who own the wealth and hire others, those who are lucky or creative and can command high wages and the rest.

"A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" Rev 6:6

[Euro-American Scum]

An IT worker willing to relocate has a good chance of landing a job. An IT worker wanting a job to come to him has no room to complain.

That's crap. Our company has been downsizing and outsourcing for the past two years. HR has been providing what limited assistance they can (or choose to) to provide the displaced workers with job leads. I help coordinate that program.

Not one former IT employee has gotten so much as a nibble. They are actively seeking employment, many on a nationwide basis. That is, those who haven't dropped off the map because they've been out of work for two years.