Reasonable People Cannot Always Agree To Disagree

Self ^ | 5/12/2003 | Marvin Galloway

[Hank Kerchief]

I'm repulsed by your lack thereof.

Wow. You must really mean it, since you posted it twice.

But, please don't be repulsed. I do not show my concern by trying to get laws passed. I show my concern by working with women, and men too, who are actually facing the decision. It is much easier to demonstrate, contribute to various campaigns, write email, etc. than to actually put your money and time in it.

Frankly, I do not believe any so-called "right-to-lifer" gives a rap about the life or death of any human being, much less the unborn. Their constant lies and trouble-making just do not fit their protestations of concern.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

You have private mail.

[Hank Kerchief]

I guess you missed this:

(I'm not talking about the hardened cases. You are not going to stop them with any laws.)

My son. I have seen more cruelty and evil in this world than you will ever imagine. It is not important. I was talking about those whose hands I've held while they wrestled with the decision of life and death, their own as well as their unborn.

Do you really care so little for those who actually have to make the choice you want to force them to make at the point of a gun? Do you really hate people so much? I do not believe it.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

I'd like to know more about you.

No, you wouldn't.

Hank

[WarSlut]

But, please don't be repulsed. I do not show my concern by trying to get laws passed. I show my concern by working with women, and men too, who are actually facing the decision. It is much easier to demonstrate, contribute to various campaigns, write email, etc. than to actually put your money and time in it.

What it is exactly you do with your time and money to help these people? The only thing easier than writing emails and demonstrating (aside from doing nothing), is to say you do more semi-anonymously on internet message boards.

Frankly, I do not believe any so-called "right-to-lifer" gives a rap about the life or death of any human being, much less the unborn. Their constant lies and trouble-making just do not fit their protestations of concern.

Lies being defined as anything you disagree with, of course. Troublemaking being defined as saying those "lies" publically. You're right, we're not in this because we give a dman about human life. We're in it to make you even more paranoid.

[WarSlut]

If you cared even for a minute about reducing the number of abortions, you would not be campaigning for more government, but for less. You would be for eliminating the government schools where are young girls are taught to experiment with sex at as young an age as possible.

How are the two mutually exclusive? I'd no sooner leave my child in the care of a public school than I would drop her off at Planned Parenthood for the afternoon.

[wardaddy]

You go do the work. Go to Google and type in for instance:

"Percentage of American women who have had abortions"...at least I bothered to look.

Remember, it's all gonna be a bit subjective. I doubt most of these women are lining up to confess.

You don't like me links...find yer own.

[wardaddy]

I'd like to know what makes you tick.

Are you Faust redux?

[A-teamMom]

Thank you for your terrific posts. It is completely misguided for any one to suggest that pro-lifers don't care about the difficult decisions that women face when considering abortion. Crisis pregnancy centers all across the country offer women free medical, legal, material, and emotional assistance. There are millions of women who are scarred forever by the decisions they made to kill their children. No one should have to live with that guilt.

The discussions about what constitutes a child were fascinating, if not a little discouraging. Those without faith can more easily dismiss the value of life because they don't care about what God says is sacred. For me, I see the fingerprints of God all over a developing baby, at any stage.

Just about two years ago, I buried my precious identical twin sons. They were born beautiful, but still. Some in this thread claim they weren't babies, because I couldn't nurse them. Well, perhaps I shouldn't mourn them.

Thank you for caring about all life.

[Hank Kerchief]

How are the two mutually exclusive? I'd no sooner leave my child in the care of a public school than I would drop her off at Planned Parenthood for the afternoon.

Good. It's hard to tell the difference between the two these days anyway (I mean between Planned Parenthood and public school) both good examples of what is wrong with Government solutions. But, the evil of these is obvious to you, and that is why you avoid them.

What is not obvious to you, and to most others who oppose abortion, for example, is that if you decide government is the solution to the problem it is going to turn out just as bad as every other solution government provides, and so long as that is the emphasis, what would actually help is being ignored.

In any case, I don't think anything is going to change. I'm really not trying to convince anyone, (because it is impossible - you can't change people). The anti-abortion crowd will go on doing everything they can to offend people and make them loose interest in what really matters, which is the people who are caught up in the messes that make abortion an issue in their lives.

The abortion issue is not really an issue for me. It is too late for abortion to be a danger to me, or my children, or my grandchildren. It is too bad when any woman is in the position where the question to abort or not even comes up. To me, that is the place the whole issue ought to be addressed. If not there, everything else is too late, and can only cause more harm.

Hank

[patriciaruth]

You are entitled to your view as I certainly don't have a hotline to heaven, but I do believe that inspiration from God does affect the actions of people.

Slavery was ended because religious and ethical people fought against it, and many Jews were saved from the holocaust by the intervention of God-fearing people with the state of Israel being formed solely due to the pangs of conscience of many people in the world.

And I believe in prayer, meaning I believe that God will occasionally intervene to alter the future if we ask and we believe.

[P_A_I]

Hank wrote:
"If you cared even for a minute about reducing the number of abortions, you would not be campaigning for more government, but for less. You would be for eliminating the government schools where are young girls are taught to experiment with sex at as young an age as possible."

How are the two mutually exclusive?
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Funny how the anti-government crowd don't see humans as being worth a damn until the big, bad government issues them a birth certificate, isn't it...
21 Warslut

Which is it? You are either for big gov, or against its unconstitutional acts.
Here at #21 you are arguably "campaigning for more government" by advocating that government 'regulate' life itself, -- abortion..
Yet you don't want government to have the power to regulate schools..

-- Make up your mind. - Or the gov will 'regulate' both, as indeed they do.

[patriciaruth]

God did not put a gun into our hands and say, "my childern, take these guns and go out into the world and force everyone to behave they way we want them to."

Haven't used a gun in my life to force someone to change their behavior. My great grandfather did kill Southerners who wanted the right to continue to practice slavery. And I have supported our military and the police who do use guns to force people to change their behavior.

If you had a gun, and someone was about to slit the throat of an innocent person, would you use the gun to save the life of the innocent person? Or is the use of a gun always evil, no matter what?

[Hank Kerchief]

I'd like to know what makes you tick.

I think you are a pest. But if you must:

I am an autonomist. Go here to learn what that is: The Autonomist

To learn what "makes me tick," go here: The Autonomist's Notebook, but you must read it all, and that means all the commentary as well. It is like an antibiotic. If you do not take it all, you will have a relapse, and be worse off than before. There is a reward, however. If you read it all you will be well-armed to argue with me and tell me all my faults.

Hank

[P_A_I]

In your political life, by supporting the powers that be, and their versions of constitutional laws, - you are using the guns of the civil servants you empower, -- to force your political agenda on those who disagree.

Which is fine, 'if'... IF the constitution is being honored.
The facts are plain though, that this is not the case.

[Truthsearcher]

I think your numbers are wrong. When there was no government in the US like the wild wild west there were pretty of killing, robberies,etc. In a society without laws the weak only exist at the mercy of the strong.

You're an anarchist, whether you want to admit it or not, your entire position is based on the idea that is would be best if there were no laws and no government

I'm not an anarchist, I believe government is necessary. Yes, it is potential dangerous when it becomes excessive, but that is true for everything. Even oxygen and water, two things that sustain our lives, can kill us in excess. There is a healthy amount of government, and there is too much government.

[plusone]

Some of the crazier pro-aborts people make this claim, that abortion is acceptable post-partum. Since babies aren't self aware (or some jumble like that) they can be killed. These same people then make the argument that adult animals are aware of their consciousness, and shouldn't be killed. Sick. Of course on the other extreme, there is the subset of pro-lifers who argue that life begins before conception. I guess life begins when the husband stops at the liquor store on the way home from work???

[wardaddy]

Fine.

But I hardly equivocate Nazi or Collectivist genocide with slavery....in the Americas or elsewhere.

I think G-d has given the word to some folks how to behave. Some adhere...many ignore.

Just my jaded nature.

[MHGinTN]

When do you believe your individual lifetime began?

[wardaddy]

Pest?..lol...more like a maggot feasting on the corpse of your rotting ideology.

So you live in your own bubble. If so why do you care what others think? Unless you yourself wish to have an abortion then why make it your business since you adhere only to your own rules.

If you wish to have an abortion simply for yourself then just come out and admit it. An autonomist is only supposed to be concerned with themselves for "pure freedom".

Thanks, I'll pass....but the views on RKBA were not too shabby admittedly..

Your way reeks of Messianic Humanism....I'll stick with Theocentric. I know I'm not the end product.