Reasonable People Cannot Always Agree To Disagree

Self ^ | 5/12/2003 | Marvin Galloway

[wardaddy]

Why thank you! You are indeed touched.

[Hank Kerchief]

Why should you expect the government to protect your life?

I don't! I've never been dissappointed.

I know those who have expected the government to protect their lives. Some of them have been dissappointed.

I am not an anarchist. I personally have no use for government, I do not care if others want or have one. I regard government as an inevitable evil, like disease. I do not make it my life mission to eliminate disease from the world. I only eliminate from my own life. If others like disease or government, that is their business.

Hank

[Hank Kerchief]

So do tadpoles. But are they frogs?

Only if they are from Canada.

hank

[cpforlife.org]

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Edmund Burke 1770

[cpforlife.org]

"Never, never will we desist till we. . . extinguish every trace of this bloody traffic, of which our posterity, looking back to the history of these enlightened times will scarce believe that it has been suffered to exist so long a disgrace and dishonor to this country"

William Wilberforce:
Member of Parliament who led the fight for the abolition of slavery in Great Britain.

[MHGinTN]

I'm afraid too few Americans understand the true gravity of our current 'confusion'. When men like Orrin Hatch are pushing for therapeutic cloning on the grounds that they don't believe any life conceived outside of a human host is an individual human, congressional actions are 'fallen onto perilous times'. We are not far from technology providing the artificial means to gestate conceived embryos, without ever residing inside a human host. What will that tell us about the Hatchling position to allow full cloning exploitation, when it leads inexorably to conceiving supporting and harvesting individual human lives for their useful tissue matched body parts, and the designer individuals have never been placed inside a human host? If an acquiesence now can lead to such horror, the action now must be an incorrect direction to take, the real slippery slope commenced.

Hatch is wrong, patently and biologically wrong. The point of error is the discernment of differentiation between organ and organism. Now is the time to raise the din, to 'edumacate' our fellow Americans, before it is too late to turn back from the abyss of cannibalistic survival. If our nation faced a slippery slope over the advent of in vitro fertilization--and we failed to reject that first step--then we truly face a precipice with the possible approval of therapeutic cannibalism.

[Cathryn Crawford]

No, it was because you're so good! When are you writing another one?

[WarSlut]

I'm touched by your concern.

I'm repulsed by your lack thereof.

[WarSlut]

I'm touched by your concern.

I'm repulsed by your lack thereof.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the compliment, Cat, but people already believe I'm off my rocker, warning of dire things to come, of cannibalism and growing designer human individuals from whom to harvest parts. I'm merely a small voice nearly imperceptible in the din of modern life. I can accomplish nothing. But if enough of my fellow Americans awaken to the real peril, we the people can demand of our legislature the proper deference for individual human life. Unless, of course, a sufficient number of our fellow Americans are now ready to embrace cannibalizing individual human life for the utilitarian value. Perhaps solent green is not so far fetched after all ...

[MHGinTN]

Soylent Green is people!

[Truthsearcher]

So you are against all property laws, and murder and assualt laws as well, correct? Since supporting them would mean you want to government to do something about them.

[carenot]

Are you saying that taking a cell or two is equivalent to canibalism but that taking a pint of blood isnt?

A pint of blood if left alone cannot make a baby.

[Hank Kerchief]

It is not surprising that those who hate all human life would charactize what all human life depends on, as you have as that:

...vile idea of freedom...

You will not be happy until you have turned this country into a totaletarian theocracy like the Sudan and reduced it to just another backward third-world nation where the most fortunate of all are those who are never born.

If you cared even for a minute about reducing the number of abortions, you would not be campaigning for more government, but for less. You would be for eliminating the government schools where are young girls are taught to experiment with sex at as young an age as possible. You would be campaigning against every welfare program that makes millions of Americans totally irresponsible, with the government picking up the tab.

If you were really opposed to abortion, you might spend some hours with a young girl tormented by a decision she must make about her entire future, and frightened by everything she is told. Terrified by those who are calling her a, "child-killer," but finding no one who will comfort her and help her make the right choice.

I guess you are all too busy with your demonstrations, and writing emails, and trying to get laws passed to actually help those who need the help. Change the meaning of everything, call the fetus a baby, call abortion murder, call everyone who is actually doing something, "equivocators."

Do you know almost all these women call their unborn their baby? To the women, what they have in them is their child. Not one of them wants to loose that child, and would do anything to have that child and know it would develop, and never suffer, and grow to adulthood. But they do not believe that is possible. They somehow believe they are saving their unborn from a life of torment by aborting them. Of course, they are confused. Most are very young. Most understand almost nothing of life, or how to cope with all its demands, even without a child. (I'm not talking about the hardened cases. You are not going to stop them with any laws.)

Everything your doing is having the opposite affect from what you claim to want. But, have it your way. Just don't pretend to me its from some morally superior position. It's just hatred for humanity.

Hank

[k2blader]

If you were really opposed to abortion, you might spend some hours with a young girl tormented by a decision she must make about her entire future, and frightened by everything she is told. Terrified by those who are calling her a, "child-killer," but finding no one who will comfort her and help her make the right choice.

Do you counsel or work with such girls?

[wardaddy]

I'd like to know more about you.

[Hank Kerchief]

I am not opposed to any laws. You want 'em, make 'em.

I'm only telling what the result of those laws will be, for you, not for me.

I do not steal. I do not commit murder. I do not desire or seek anything I have not produced or earned by my own effort, and I only deal with others who have the same moral code.

No law and no government has, or ever will, eliminate theft, murder, assualt, or any other vice or crime. You might consider this question. When there was the least amount of government in the USA, there was the least amount of crime, now that there is the most government there has ever been in this country, there is the most crime. Doesn't that strike you as a bit odd, if government is really a solution?

Hank

[MHGinTN]

Hank wrote: Do you know almost all these women call their unborn their baby? To the women, what they have in them is their child. Not one of them wants to loose that child, and would do anything to have that child and know it would develop, and never suffer, and grow to adulthood. But they do not believe that is possible. They somehow believe they are saving their unborn from a life of torment by aborting them. Bless your heart Hank, you would really like to believe that, wouldn't you? It is a fiction of your mind, but I'm sure you would like to believe it, like for it to be true. The reality is much more gross, and I'm sure you don't need to confront that unseemly truth, so I won't press you further.

[wardaddy]

Bout the worst I've seen here for rationaliztion.

An objectivist's objectivist's objectivist. Makes Ayn Rand seem like a fuzzy ol granny out of a Currier and Ives litho.

[FirstTomato]

There is no way that upwards of half of American women have had abortions. Those groups had better cough up some hard evidence--but they don't have it.

And I'm waiting for you to cite a reference for your claim.

I'm pro-life, but I am also an independent thinker who doesn't swallow statistics as evidence, without proof.