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Artificial Life Experiments Show How Complex Functions Can Evolve
NSF ^ | May 8, 2003 | Staff

Posted on 05/08/2003 10:11:06 AM PDT by Nebullis

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To: no one in particular
I once wanted to become an atheist but I gave up -
they have no holidays. - Henny Youngman
1,821 posted on 05/22/2003 7:34:36 AM PDT by null and void
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To: jwalsh07
I didn't think so.

One word too many from you.

1,822 posted on 05/22/2003 7:49:23 AM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: AndrewC
Dude, mylar is the only way to go nowadays. Sure, it's not as formable as, say aluminum foil, but prodigious use of duct tape fixes that problem. All the most hip, with-it, stylish loons are wearing mylar.
1,823 posted on 05/22/2003 9:10:25 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Junior
All the most hip, with-it, stylish loons are wearing mylar.

Plus the golden tinge adds a touch of class.

1,824 posted on 05/22/2003 9:12:35 AM PDT by AndrewC (my foot's hand's palm fronds are fair weather)
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To: AndrewC
Amen!
1,825 posted on 05/22/2003 9:14:45 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: gore3000
Aaah defending the slimer by attacking the victim. How Clintonian of you.

Again, nobody died and made you the conversation monitor. You've earned my contempt quite on your own merits, PH is not responsible for your underhanded argumentative behavior.

1,826 posted on 05/22/2003 9:29:26 AM PDT by donh (/)
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To: gore3000; null and void
change the fact that you cannot simulate reality

If you would take a second to read your own words for understanding, instead of for decibel level, you might fathom why this is such a silly statement.

...

What you mean to suggest, I expect, is that you cannot model reality with perfect fidelity and detail, which is, indeed true, however irrelevant.

1,827 posted on 05/22/2003 9:56:46 AM PDT by donh (/)
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To: null and void
Then there are hundreds of thousands engineers and scientists who model everything .....

Face it; he either doesn't understand the meaning of the word "model" or he's intentionally misrepresenting it.....

Not that doing so would be anything knew for him....

1,828 posted on 05/22/2003 10:06:07 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
As I said - BREATHTAKING...
1,829 posted on 05/22/2003 10:07:58 AM PDT by null and void
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To: All
Behold this, from someone who calls me an insulting stalker:
The slimer [note the insult] gives us another example of his total hypocrisy [note the insult]. It is the evolutionists which [sic] EVERY TIME an opponent starts showing that evolution is total bunk that start with the insults. For example, soon after I started posting on this thread (and getting no replies of course as is usual from the evolutionists since they cannot deny the truth but just insult the bearer of it).

I have often challenged you to show a single post from you on this thread which is not an insult. A single post from you discussing the subject at hand. There are none such because you do not discuss, you insult and encourage your friends to do the same and turn threads into shouting matches so that they will be pulled.
1,799 posted on 05/21/2003 11:28 PM EDT by gore3000

Let's take these one at a time:
It is the evolutionists which EVERY TIME an opponent starts showing that evolution is total bunk that start with the insults.
I would respectfully suggest that factual rebuttals to some creationist argument, and pointing out that there have been innumerable rebuttals to the same argument in the past, do not constitute "insults."
For example, soon after I started posting on this thread (and getting no replies of course as is usual from the evolutionists since they cannot deny the truth but just insult the bearer of it).
I would respectfully suggest that not responding to arguments deemed unworthy of response does not constitute an "insult."
I have often challenged you [PH] to show a single post from you on this thread which is not an insult. A single post from you discussing the subject at hand.
I would respectfully direct the reader's attention to the following posts in this thread: 1045, 1120, 1123, and 1127. They deal with the substance of evolution. There just hasn't been all that much going on that required any more effort. Anyway, the "challenge" was to produce one such non-insulting post. Easily done.

Question: why am I being stalked and insulted like this?

1,830 posted on 05/22/2003 10:09:10 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: PatrickHenry
Question: why am I being stalked and insulted like this?

Because, trying to teach a pig to sing wastes your time and annoys the pig!

1,831 posted on 05/22/2003 10:11:59 AM PDT by null and void
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To: PatrickHenry
Question: why am I being stalked and insulted like this?

Because you irritated the snot out of the ignorant lunatic fringe element* who are drawn to these threads like a moth to a flame. What's worse, you refuse to engage them, and thus deny them the satisfaction of the illusion that their ill-informed notions and ideas are of equal standing with those of educated people. You refuse to play their delusional game, in which every thread starts over tabla rosa and they get to trot out their trite, already refuted arguments and pretend that they've never been assailed. You refuse to cater to their fantasy-reality, in which their ill-informed, recycled arguments are deemed to have merit, and their intellect and knowledge is on par with normal, well educated, well-adjusted people.

IOW, you are ruining their delusion, and they hate you for it. They are convinced that what they are doing is important, substantive, and deeply profound, and given the profundity of their cause, they, in their paranoid view of reality, are convinced that "evil forces" are "conspiring" to thwart them.

They are convinced that YOU are the manifestation of their imaginary conspiracy, and that you are sending out secret messages embedded in your "placemarker" posts, coordinating with other conspirators who are out to thwart and "torment" them. This is the twisted thinking of the paranoid mind.

That is why they stalk you, attack you, and accuse you of the very things that they themselves are doing, transferring their guilt to an external person, thereby giving themselves the absolution they so desperately seek for the compulsive actions the are unable to resist.

*the phrase "the ignorant lunatic fringe element" does NOT refer to all people on these threads who reject biological Evolution. It refers to a very small minority, who exhibit bizarre characteristics in their posts, who would, among their many other bizarre undertakings, create out of whole-cloth the delusion that PH is actively attempting to disrupt the discussion, "get threads pulled," etc., ad nauseum. It refers to certain anti-Evo Freepers of whom even thoughful Creationists are getting sick and tired.

1,832 posted on 05/22/2003 10:44:51 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
My response was more concise...
1,833 posted on 05/22/2003 11:06:13 AM PDT by null and void
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To: longshadow; null and void
I like them both. Put them in the archives for the next thread!
1,834 posted on 05/22/2003 11:14:39 AM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: null and void; longshadow
Yeah, but longshadow's was "profile worthy."

I supervise a few people at work. I'm sure some others here do as well.

Imagine if, every day, you had to re-teach your employee their job for the day?

If that were the case, I certainly know what nickname I'd have for them!
1,835 posted on 05/22/2003 11:15:16 AM PDT by whattajoke (Gore3000 and the Amazing Technicolor DreamFont... coming to your town soon!)
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To: Junior
Ah, commentary from the paranoid peanut gallery. You might consider mylar; it's lighter than aluminum foil and far more stylish.

A recent issue of Scientific American describes a new material fashioned from an amalgum of plastic and metal dust that shields effectively against medical x-rays and most radioactive isotopes. The metal content transmits heat, so full body suits made of this material can be worn continuously, even while exercising. A nice outer layer of mu-metal would shield effectively against radio frequencies and low frequency electromagnetic radiation.

The inventor says tents could be made of it also. I recommend this to the entire ID community. Perhaps one large tent would hold them all, if they are large tent conservatives.

1,836 posted on 05/22/2003 11:18:51 AM PDT by js1138
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To: null and void
Then there are hundreds of thousands engineers and scientists who model everything from chemical processes to hydrogen bombs, buildings to bearings, electronics to automobiles who don't exist in your mind... Ever hear of ANSYS? SUPREM? Spice?

Thank you. Much more specific than what I was contemplating.

1,837 posted on 05/22/2003 11:22:56 AM PDT by js1138
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To: gore3000
Reality is too complex to be put into a computer program.

Speak for yourself. Many people do a good job of modeling reality on a computer. If you really believe that they are wrong you should never: fly in an airplane, especially the 757,767,777; never go near a nuclear power plant; never go near the power grid; never drive an automobile; etc.

Your paradigm of "The Sims" is just a game. You may believe that "The Sims" or "Sim City" (mark whatever) is a model of reality, but most people can tell the difference between games and models.

1,838 posted on 05/22/2003 11:27:24 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: PatrickHenry
I would like to point out that every once in a while, several hundred posts go by without a flame war. All these lapses of hostility have one thing in common -- the absense of g3k.
1,839 posted on 05/22/2003 11:28:00 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
yeah... perhaps in honor of g3k's new penchant for varying font colors, and his continuing insistence on endless flame posts, he should now always be referred to as "Gore3000"
1,840 posted on 05/22/2003 11:44:21 AM PDT by whattajoke (Gore3000 and the Amazing Technicolor DreamFont... coming to your town soon!)
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