CA: School bill would help immigrants (illegal ..errr.. undocumented immigrants)

Mercury News ^ | 5/6/03 | Jessie Mangaliman

[NormsRevenge]

LAWS, PROPOSALS THAT HELP IMMIGRANT STUDENTS

Thousands of undocumented children who grow up in the United States can be deported even if they manage to earn a degree.

• The Dream Act would allow eligible students to apply for green cards, opening the door to federal grants and other financial aid.

• The Student Adjustment Act, a bill in the House, would grant legal status to the children of undocumented immigrants who are pursuing a college education in the United States.

• California, New York, Texas and Utah have passed laws in recent years that allow undocumented students living in the United States to pay resident tuition rates at certain state universities.

It's all over, folks!

[Hacksaw]

Any writer that refers to illegal aliens as "immigrants" is engaging in propoganda.

[NormsRevenge]

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[LNewman]

• The Dream Act would allow eligible students to apply for green cards, opening the door to federal grants and other financial aid.

See also "Green Card Soldiers Don't Pass Muster," LA Times, Opinion, May 6, 2003 at http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/

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[dark_lord]

Hmmm. I am not for illegals at all. But for the kids of illegals who are going to college...these are people who will be net contributors to the economy -- that is they will pay more in taxes than they will extract in services. (Yeah, I am not citing a source, but that is a generally true statement about people who get college degrees.)

So while we don't want to encourage illegals, on the other hand we do want legal immigrants who are or become college graduates. And a case can be made that the kids did not on their own volition come sneaking into the country - they were obeying their parents. There is an "intent" issue here from a legal perspective.

My personal "solution" to this would be: make the kids obligated to pay a fine -- something like $50K. Payments to start when they finish college or turn 24, whichever is soon, and must be paid off 5 years after the payments start - or they get deported. Advantage -- the $50K can go right to the border patrol, thus providing a "fee based" approach to make it harder for illegals to enter the country. But keep the ones who get the college degree and who are taxpayers -- after all, the sin was their parents, not theirs.

Oh, and by the way. Mine the border, put snipers every 2 miles, and shoot anyone and anything that moves, day or night, along the border. This will require buying out the current property owners of course. And I am serious. Shoot, shoot to kill, and keep shooting until anything being shot at stops moving. That will stop border crossings dead. Heh heh.

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[firebrand]

Oh good. I was just about to say that. There's no such thing as an "undocumented immigrant." If the people are undocumented, they're not immigrants.

[MikeD]

Oh, and by the way. Mine the border, put snipers every 2 miles, and shoot anyone and anything that moves, day or night, along the border. This will require buying out the current property owners of course. And I am serious. Shoot, shoot to kill, and keep shooting until anything being shot at stops moving. That will stop border crossings dead. Heh heh.

In principle I agree with this solution, but I'm not sure it will be workable in places like El Paso/Juarez. Do you really want land mines in a metropolitan area? Snipers hanging out on I-10?

MD

[green team 1999]

the children

[doc]

These felons need to be deported, period. You don't reward law breakers. Minorities are getting preferential treatment when it comes to college entrance. I could go on for hours on why illegal immigration and 95% of it hurts our country.

[1234]

Border Control or IMPEACHMENT

[dark_lord]

Bulldozers.

[Pubbie]

GUYS THE SOLUTION TO ILLEGAL RECONQUISTADORES IN AMERICA IS EASTERN EUROPEAN IMMIGRATION!!!! (Below is a post I made on another thread)

Hey since I'm Russian American, can I suggest a sharp cutback in Hispanic immigration (like say to zero?) and a MASSIVE increase in Eastern European immigration (like over a million)???

Of course the media will go NUTS and accuse the GOP of being racist but Christ, they will do that no matter what you do, so if they claim that, tell em to screw off.

[Chi-Town Lady]

The problem with giving these illegal students a green card is then they can get their families over here under the family reunification program. It's another back door amnesty program.

[BamaGirl]

I like all of your ideas. It really makes me mad, the illegals spit in the face of every immigrant who has worked hard and followed the rules to come here legally. But I do have a sympathy for the kids, especially if they want to be Americans (like learn to speak English, get a degree, adopt our culture, pay taxes, etc.).

[BamaGirl]

Minorities are getting preferential treatment when it comes to college entrance.

Yeah, I don't get this. Even though I don't agree, I can see why blacks and american indians get special treatment, but why hispanics? Who "oppressed" them?

[skeeter]

``They can't legalize their status on their own because there's no mechanism for it.''

So thats the problem. Whats needed is a mechanism for self-naturalization. So simple, yet brilliant.

Just the kind of logic expected from illegal immigration's overt allies & quiet sympathizers (you know who you are).

Intellectual buffoons & useful idiots.

[novacation]

"It's all over, folks". Afraid you're right.Might be time to head for higher ground.

[skeeter]

Any writer that refers to illegal aliens as "immigrants" is engaging in propoganda.

Illegal immigration happy talk is the Merc's specialty. Facts be damned, to them illegals are the bread of life.

[deanna12306]

May I remind each and every one of you, if it wasn't for all of the immigrants before us, we wouldn't have what we have today. It is because of thier hard work and effort that we have housing, businesses, and an economy that has been built brick by brick by immigrants. Our forefathers where all immigrants at one time. America, now called the United States was over ran by immigrants and shot or murdered the rightful inhabitants (indians).

I don't think someone should be shot or killed, because they want to better themselves. All of you should be ashamed for even suggesting such a thing. If it wasn't for immigrants helping to put this country together...not one of us would even be here.

What we need to do is find a way to allow anyone to have a dual status visa, so everyone has to pay taxes and help re-build the country's economic status. Instead of penalizing the immigrants for wanting to better themselves, unless they are convicted felons, we need to give them the chance that everyone deserves to be all they can be. Not every immigrant is ignorant or stupid. Some of come from very good backgrounds, but they need to learn English to get around.

I think each and every person should be taken on a individual basis...not because they are one race or another. Being racists, does not solve the problem of people wanting to better themselves, regardless of why they are here. Give them a chance to see how they can improve the US...we are called the melting pot for a reason. So stop whining and let them pay their weight like everyone else has too.

If it wasn't for immigrants, I doubt you would have the things you have now. The only true citizens of the US are the American Indians...everyone else is an immigrant. Ignorance is not a reason to say kill someone. If that was so, most of you wouldn't be here right now.