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Is Bush the Antichrist?
The Covenant News ^ | April 12, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:47:29 AM PDT by MatthewViti

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To: mrsmith
You know President Bush has people on here that just go ballistic at the faintest criticism - it makes Clinton's Intimidation Squard look like pikers.

As I said to the other's - good grief - get a grip. Read the sentence - it meant he had supporters, followers, whathave you - reread it - with the intent of seeing what it said - not what you want it to say or what you thought it said.

I stand by the entire statement-----

561 posted on 05/04/2003 2:28:06 PM PDT by nanny
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To: MissAmericanPie
If you vote against George W. Bush in 2004 on one or two issues to prove some kind of point, you risk putting into office a Kerry, Gephardt, Lieberman, or God forbid Hillary Clinton, and sending this country back on a road to total destruction.

I don't believe anyone as intelligent and rational as you are (and I mean that sincerely) would do something so utterly foolish, and harmful to this great country that we both love.

562 posted on 05/04/2003 2:30:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: nanny
Sorta from Dixie (Texas), but definitely not a chick - Are you Ann Richards?
563 posted on 05/04/2003 2:36:21 PM PDT by padfoot_lover
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To: padfoot_lover; nanny
LOL! If she utters the word 'shrub' you'll know it for sure!
564 posted on 05/04/2003 2:41:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: nanny
Great, you didn't mean to say that "President Bush has people on here" you meant to say "there are people on here who support President Bush".

I'll be so glad when the mind-control satellites are updated with mind-reading capabilities. The aliens say it will be a few more years, but I think they're just holding out for us to offer more love slaves.

Sorry you don't like it that Bush's supporters on here are reasonable and not manipulable with unlikely scenarios, surely you can find other people on FR who are to talk with.

565 posted on 05/04/2003 2:44:27 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: MatthewViti
what said in the article is false? please enlighten me.

What is false is the notion that Bush is somehow evil, or supports anything of the kind.

BTW, I love Black Sabbath! One of the greatest bands ever!

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it!

566 posted on 05/04/2003 2:49:19 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Negotiate!! .............(((Blam!.)))........... "Now who else wants to negotiate?")
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To: ohioWfan
If she utters the word 'shrub' you'll know it for sure! -- Or brings up that "Poor George, born with the silver spoon" thing .... LOL! Being a Texan myself, I have watched this really humble and good man accomplish so much good in our state as governor, and now he is doing it on a national level! So he's not perfect, SOME people need to give him a break! God bless George W. Bush...
567 posted on 05/04/2003 2:53:26 PM PDT by padfoot_lover
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To: hellinahandcart
And I disagree with Bush on a number of issues, immigration and land rights being just the first two. But goodness, I hope my sense of proportion would prevent me from wanting to throw the baby out with the bathwater (the jury is still out on whether he'll handle those issues to my satisfaction anyway).

Fair enough - I am not quite ready - but if he doesn't do something about the borders and illegal immigration soon and I mean really soon - I don't know.

I do think you are giving this some thought and not just throwing out insults and I appreciate that.

The things I care about such as immigration, land use (which is very scary) and I was not pleased with his actions post 9/11 - but that remains to be seen - maybe it will work out right and he was doing what was best - just can't see it. I don't like some of the powers that are being even more concentrated in the federal government. I still don't know what John Ashcroft was doing here in Texas to kick of a Texas bill regarding no parole for gun crimes (whatever that might be). That should be strictly a state matter - nothing to do with WAshington. It would seem he had plenty to do in WAshington - why is he participating in a state matter?

The disagreements I have with President Bush are really biggies - they concern our very existance as free citizens, a free country, or even a sovereign nation at all. We can overcome the things Clinton did, I think. But if we loose the country and allow a foreign nation to dictate our laws and continue to destroy American citizens to support foreign citizens, leave our borders open for anything and anyone to come across - while we use precious manpower and resources to 'teach a lesson' to any citizen who would try to do something on their own - those things can't be fixed for generations to come.

As for land use, I either heard or read a statement from Pres. Bush saying kind things about the program that is setting aside land so it can't be developed and after a certain period of time will revert to some organization. I assume that is the nature conservancy - don't know for sure. If you take away our ability to own private property, (and taking it out of circulations, so to speak, does that) , especially land, we are no longer a free nation.

People are thrilled with Pres Bush because we won the war - I don't have an opinion whether we should have gone or not. That Hussein was a madman, I have no doubt. That the world is better off that he is out of there, I have no doubt. Just wish we knew where he is. But that we could win a war with Iraq never was a question in my mind. I just could not understand why you would go around the world to fight a madman that might/probably had some connection to Al Queda when we have ME men paying 35,000 to cross the American border and we aren't doing anything substantive about it.

As I said, my misgivings about PResident Bush are biggies. It is good he professes his faith, it is good he appears to be faithful to his wife, he won a war with Iraq. I know there have been some arrests here, haven't heard what is going on with them. They are making some foreigners register - I think they should make them all like they once did. I do like his stance on partial birth abortion - now that's a biggie. - but I want other big things taken care of - the things that are a threat and are eating away at us each and every day. That is what makes me wince when I see people not willing to question Pres. Bush on anything. It nice they think he is a good man, a family man, a Christian man - but this country has many of those - I want a man to have the backbone to be willing to take it on the chin to do what is right and cleaning out this country and allowing Americans to once again work is a big, big necessity if we are to survive.

One of the things that does frighten me is the rhetoric in support of Pres. Bush (yourself excluded) is almost a verbatim to the remarks made by Clinton supporters.

568 posted on 05/04/2003 2:55:43 PM PDT by nanny
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To: cyncooper
Excuse me, but I spoke for myself. I am not dishonest, and thank you for once again proving my point.

YOu want to run that one by me again?

569 posted on 05/04/2003 2:57:17 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ohioWfan
Many, many many Americans are thankful to a merciful and almighty God for giving us this man as our leader, to bring dignity, responsibility and honor back to America.......and they don't share your 'distaste' for him, even if they disagree with him on issues. As hard as it's going to be for you to deal with because you don't like the guy, you're going to have to live with the fact that a whole lot of thinking, Conservative, God-fearing people love and respect him.

I have no distaste for the President - read that - just for some of his actions or inactions. I don't like many of the things he does - I respect the office of the Presidency. Now other than love for another human being, I just never thought 'love' entered into the picture.

Why wouldn't the troops show respect for the President? What exactly does that have to do with anything? So no one should question what he does? What in the world are you trying to say?

570 posted on 05/04/2003 3:02:17 PM PDT by nanny
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To: padfoot_lover
No - I am a Texas Lady - she definitely is not.
571 posted on 05/04/2003 3:03:00 PM PDT by nanny
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To: ohioWfan
That was cute - when you don't have anything to say - you insult. Really adult and will do a lot of good for this country.

I thought it was Molly Ivins that coined 'shrub' - not me either.

572 posted on 05/04/2003 3:04:52 PM PDT by nanny
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To: mrsmith

Please make some sense.

573 posted on 05/04/2003 3:06:32 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
You are the last post - so I will post to you and the other 'fun' gang on here - I must - simply must get to work. I have to make money to pay for President Bush's illegals to have medical care, education and free food - duty calls you know.
575 posted on 05/04/2003 3:11:31 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
One of the things that does frighten me is the rhetoric in support of Pres. Bush (yourself excluded) is almost a verbatim to the remarks made by Clinton supporters.

I don't see why it should frighten you. To me, it's not the support, but the object of it that matters. It's not People Liked Clinton + People Liked Bush = Bush is the Same as Clinton.

Just doesn't compute.

576 posted on 05/04/2003 3:17:02 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: null and void
"Excellent analysis. Thanks."

You're welcome.

577 posted on 05/04/2003 3:22:28 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Marxist DemocRATS, Nader-Greens, and Militant Islam are a clear and present danger to our Freedoms.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
I agree with you about whether the antichrist will be Jewish - sort of. If his father is gentile and his mother Jewish he would by all outward appearance be gentile, having a gentile last name. But the Jews would consider him Jewish by virtue of the fact his mother was Jewish.

"Christ" is equivalent to Messiah. The term is distinctly Jewish not gentile. People don't realize what they are saying when they say "antichrist." The Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah/Christ. They are still looking for their Messiah/Christ. They will never acknowledge someone to be their Messiah/Christ unless he is Jewish (his mother, at least, must be Jewish).
When he comes he will be the phony Messiah/Christ, the impostor. The true one, Jesus, has come already. The false Messiah/Christ of the Jewish people will be the antichrist.

Which take us back to the name of this thread, "Is Bush the Antichrist?" Is his father Jewish? Is Barbara Bush Jewish? The answer is no. Due to his pedigree the Jews would never accept him as the promised Messiah of the Old Testament.

Clinton, though he has the immoral attributes of the antichrist described in Daniel 11, yet neither of his parents were Jewish.
578 posted on 05/04/2003 3:25:08 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: hellinahandcart
I don't see why it should frighten you. To me, it's not the support, but the object of it that matters. It's not People Liked Clinton + People Liked Bush = Bush is the Same as Clinton

No, No, No. That's not what I said or even near what I meant. But Pres. Bush is a politician - he has tremendous power - he has the power to do great things or terrible things. The rhetoric bothers me because I wonder should suddenly he begin to do bad things, would anyone question him? I think there are many who would not and that frightens me.

Now I just had a thought and I am very new to the give and take about politics on a national level. I admired Ronald Reagan - not because I think he did everything right - but because he made me and a lot of others feel that we were Americans again and that we were capable of doing for ourselves. He is the only President in my lifetime - Don't remember Roosevelt - but do remember Truman on - that I felt that way about, and a lot of other Americans did too. But I just did not see the gushing, adoration for him. I heard many nice things, many respectful things - but it seemed to me - it was respect and admiration only - and was kept in perspective. As I said, perhaps because I didn't communicate on a national level, and on sites like these.

My grandfather told of people talking that way about Roosevelt - and I saw it with Clinton - so I just assumed that was, forgive me, but the mindless following of Democrats - you know the ones they called 'yellow dog'. I have never, ever, in my life heard conservatives or Republicans speak in those, can't think of a better word, worshipful words - I just haven't. Now maybe that is the new way of speaking of political leaders and I just missed it - if so, I apologize - but I was really shocked when I first read Republicans uttering them. As I said, maybe my age is showing, maybe it is my naivete, or just my lack of knowledge about political thought on a national level.

We country people just always seemed to have a little healthy distrust of politicians - perhaps that is dead.

579 posted on 05/04/2003 3:31:53 PM PDT by nanny
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To: nanny
Why wouldn't the troops show respect for the President? What exactly does that have to do with anything? So no one should question what he does? What in the world are you trying to say?

You REALLY don't understand what I was saying? Really?? Wow! (btw, how old are you, anyway?)

You have nailed everyone to the wall who defends the President as 'worshiping' him or being 'blind followers.' I'm just trying to get you to be consistent in your accusations.

The troops don't just RESPECT him.....they LOVE him, whether you understand that or not. If you watched their reaction to him on Thursday, it should have made you furious that anyone was showing a politician so much 'blind' adoration.

btw, why don't you go back and read your own posts, nanny, trying to be objective, if you are able, and you will see how quick you were to make false accusations of (many) others with no cause whatsoever. And while you're at it look at how hyper sensitive you are about what others observe about you (from your own posts).

You are one of those poor souls who dishes it out liberally, but can't take it.....even in small doses.

Oh, and I am sorry about the 'shrub' line. I just thought the post about your being Ann Richards was pretty funny.........she shares your 'distaste' for the President. :o)

580 posted on 05/04/2003 3:34:35 PM PDT by ohioWfan (President BUSH......Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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