THE FINAL SECRET OF 9/11

Antiwar.com ^ | 4/28/03 | Justin Raimondo

[MEG33]

I read it...He is not interested in truth and release of some report.He loves to knock America. Justine? I don't know and don't care.I don't like him,his ideas,or his writing.

[Blue Collar Christian]

I know. My post was. We disagree. That's all. You seem out of place here.

[Blue Collar Christian]

I'm pretty much with you, but must argue for "the piece" you think we'll get back. Every "piece" we give is gone.

What is the better formula, IMHO, is for jihad against muslims(announced and given time before attacks, in the form of isolation from society, ala Mansanar, begin) so that the muslim community can get their act together and perge the radicals themselves. Sounds tough? Tough.

[anka]

>I quit debating you antiwar a**holes when I left LP.

funny, I don't recall ever stating I was anti-war.

>If you have to ask that question you aren't worth my time.

and as clearly displayed by your response (e.g. calling me an a**hole) your time is worthless.

regards.

anka

[Blue Collar Christian]

I don't know you, but in his(Texas Cowboy)post to which you made this response, he said something like this"Antiwar...our fighting men and women have saved your....again."

You responded with"...what did they save our....from?"

That is identifying yourself as antiwar, isn't it? And now you deny that identity in #224?

[anka]

>I don't know you

hi, i'm anka.

>You responded with"...what did they save our....from?"

>That is identifying yourself as antiwar, isn't it?

posing a valid question asking for clarity on Texax Cowboy's statement identifies me as antiwar?

quite a leap...

>And now you deny that identity in #224?

i deny an identity that you contrived after your (to be fair, Texas Cowboy's) tremendous leap in logic.

care to answer the question, or would you rather just call me an anti-war a**hole as well and end the discussion on an intelligent note?


cheers,

anka

[Blue Collar Christian]

It might just be a bad choice of words on your part, which I am assuming at this point. If one follows the text of both ends of your conversation with Texas Cowboy, you identified yourself as anti-war. No leap, just straight English.

BTW, I make it policy not to call names, and I don't tolerate it coming toward me. Name calling is so schoolyard.

[Pagey]

I have to ask this, if AlGore had won the Presidency and 9/11 occurred, would Justin Raimondo (whoever that is) have written this same article, stating that---and I quote----changing only the word Bush to Gore:

How did 19 hijackers manage to decimate the Pentagon, destroy the World Trade Center, and plunge us into a war without end? That is the question we still don't have an answer to, two years after the worst terrorist attack in American history, and, if the GORE administration has anything to say about it – and they do – we won't have an answer any time soon. An 800-page report written by congressional investigators is being withheld from the American public.

It's obvious this guy has never read this article from The Atlantic Monthly from 1990, The Roots Of Muslim Rage By Bernard Lewis otherwise he might have a better idea how this all occurred. Printed out it comes to about 25 pages, but you will have a wealth of knowledge/historical facts at your fingertips.
For Example I offer this paragraph from the second section:"...THERE ARE other difficulties in the way of accepting imperialism as an explanation of Muslim hostility, even if we define imperialism narrowly and specifically, as the invasion and domination of Muslim countries by non-Muslims. If the hostility is directed against imperialism in that sense, why has it been so much stronger against Western Europe, which has relinquished all its Muslim possessions and dependencies, than against Russia, which still rules, with no light hand, over many millions of reluctant Muslim subjects and over ancient Muslim cities and countries? And why should it include the United States, which, apart from a brief interlude in the Muslim-minority area of the Philippines, has never ruled any Muslim population? The last surviving European empire with Muslim subjects, that of the Soviet Union, far from being the target of criticism and attack, has been almost exempt..."

Remember this was written in 1990 also,almost like he was visualizing the future of Islam vs Every other Society/Religion. I've re-read it several times and started marking it up in yellow and blue ink to get all the great points in that article.If more humans still read like when I was younger, this article could have it's own thread, but not enough people take the time to read anymore.

[Pagey]

Stick this in your browser

http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/90sep/rage.htm

It is there.

[Pagey]

Bump for Mistakes the first time around.

[plusone]

Interesting post. I read an article recently that cast a shadow over the alleged phone calls made by those victims on the hijacked planes that crashed into the Pentagon, WTC and that field near Pittsburg. A researcher charted a private plance and flew over the small southern Ontario (Canada) city of London. This is a regional financial center with good cell phone networks and coverage. He brought with him a variety of cell phones and had the plane fly at different altitudes, trying the phones to test their reception. I don't remember the cutoff point now, but at around 2000 feet, the phones began to lose their reception, and at 5000 feet, all of them, were useless. This suggests that the alleged calls made from the hijacked planes were not real.

[ovrtaxt]

The guy has absolutely no credibility.

-Credibility with whom Rocky? It's a free country let him write until the cows come home....

What, Rocky questions Raimondo's credibility, and you make him out to be a first amendment hater?

Now YOUR credibility is in question.

This mouthbreather Raimondo has the right to publish what he wants, and we have the right to judge him a mouthbreather.

[ovrtaxt]

I don't remember the cutoff point now, but at around 2000 feet, the phones began to lose their reception, and at 5000 feet, all of them, were useless. This suggests that the alleged calls made from the hijacked planes were not real.

Umm, I think the commercial airliners use satellites. Of course a cellphone in a cessna is going to be useless.

By the way, if any family survivors of the passengers are reading your post, they are probably trying to find out where you live.

[plusone]

No, some of the reports that I read suggested that the passengers were using their personal cell phones. This was the point of the experiment. It seems that at such an altitude, they don't work.

[ovrtaxt]

Right. The jet's antenna picks up the phone call and sends it to the satellite.

[plusone]

A personal cell phone uses the same frequency as a satellite phone?

[ovrtaxt]

nevermind.

[A. Pole]

There are no antiwar Republicans.

Are you sure?

[anka]

hi blue.
thanks for being civil :)
after reading your comment and looking back i can see how my question may have been a source of confusion on Texas Cowboy's part.
however, rest assured that i am most definitely NOT anti-war (from a policy perspective... i have however been called worse than an a**hole on occasion ;-)

anyway, thanks for the response and for your civility.

cheers,

anka

[plusone]

'nevermind' That was Nirvana's best album... :)