Six children, apparently malnourished, found in Kenmore

Akron Beacon Journal ^ | 5/1/03 | John Higgins and Andale Gross

[raynman33]

My only comment is to pray for these children. I can't begin to count the problems they have.

[annyokie]

Posted earlier today but bears repeating. Prayers to those children. At least they are still alive.

[Zipporah]

What boggles the mind with reports of these type cases.. is that people TRIED to help by reporting to the authorities.. how many times have we read about similar things? And when people report suspected abuse .. with little or no evidence, the authorities come down on those people.. makes no sense to me..

[Eustace]

Being from an abusive home myself , I would have trouble keeping my hands or a baseball bat off of those people.

What kind of neighbors can allow this to happen? The kids are defenseless and needed someone to step in for them.

Action , not prayers is what these children needed.

[raynman33]

That is what is so disheartening...

[annyokie]

Action is needed, indeed. I hope you have healed from your abusive past. Prayers to you and these poor children, as well.

[conservababeJen]

Sad (alleged) child abuse case

ALLEGED?

oy

[raynman33]

Please read (alleged) with heavy sarcasm... That is how the article was titled.

[GovernmentShrinker]

Not a word here about the identity or whereabouts of these kids' father(s). Mary and Alice didn't produce 6 kids on their own -- and you have to really want kids to go the artificial insemination route, which sure doesn't sound like the case here.

[ChemistCat]

People have put their faith in the state...maybe we need some more vigilante action around this country.

These women have done gay parents who are decent and honest no favor at all. But no doubt, major gay organizations are going to rush to their defense just because of their orientation.

[conservababeJen]

well then I redirect my OY at them!!

[MIgramma]

I have had a few run-ins with CPS and found them to be most indifferent to child abuse unless it manages to catch the public eye.
Hey, these kids are their bread and butter.
Abused kids ususally grow up to be abusers and hence keep them in business.
I have seen them go to great lengths to avoid dealing with abusers.
Ie. "We can't be certain if the perp's HAND or the corner of the cupboard blackened his eye".
Or "We can't help the kids, they won't talk to us". This person questioned the kids in the presence of the abuser.
On and on and on. I amagine that it's the same all over.
Bottom line is that Child Protective Services is just another good-sounding name given to ineffective government goof-offs who wouldn't be able to hold down a real job.
Sad thing is that it's the abused kids that have no voice.
Based on personal experience, I would never report child abuse to CPS because they are almost equally abusive to the parent.

[frodolives]

How dare the government intrude on the privacy of this family?

sarcasm off

[GovernmentShrinker]

I wouldn't bet on it. I think they'll be left to their own devices. They aren't the sort of people that anybody wants to claim. Gay organizations are busy enough fighting for the rights of good gay parents without wasting resources on this scum.

I wish our legal system would let the punishment fit the crime in the cases like this -- I really liked the (Texas?) judge who made a father sleep in a doghouse for a month for making his son sleep there, but such sentences are painfully rare. These two should be locked in a closet along with whatever government officials were getting paid to respond to child abuse complaints but didn't. Let them all wallow in each other's feces for a few months.

[Aarchaeus]

gay parents who are decent...

Trying for the oxymoron award for the day?

[thegreatbeast]

Don't you get it? Mary, the host uterus, is probably a "working girl", in a relationship for eight years with Alice but they have 6 year old in their Heather-has-two-Mommies-family. Dad never played much of a role in this household. In fact, none of the Dads probably ever made it to the breakfast table in the morning.

[Eustace]

After 25 years of pain and finally asking for help , I found some.

I ended up becoming what I hated most. I ended up like my dad , one of the things that kept me out of relationships for most of my life. Because I didn't want to be like him , I swore I never would.

But it appears to me that regardless of what we know or want , just like animals the actions of our parents are imprinted in our subconcious and we are trapped.

There's something said in the Bible about our actions being like ripples that last for generations , that's what child abuse is and why it last for generations.

You hear about abusive people in a cycle of violence and depression. And as I once did , most people believe the person is no good or he or she would quit.

Because of my life I accepted bad things as normal , because they were in my life. When the hate got stronger than the fear inside of me , I began hurting people back and became just like the people I hated.

I was trapped in a cycle and none of it was good. I used to get into very violent fights , because after the fight I had relief from my constant anxiety. I hated myself and everybody else. And because people had always hit me , I accepted that was the way life was.

The other mistake I made was believing that if I found someone to love , the bad things would disappear. At first they did , but it all came back.

I never wanted to hurt my wife , but I did , nothing like my dad hurt my mom , brother and me. So it didn't seem as bad , but it was. Terroism is terrorism.

When I was a kid I felt weak because I heard about other kids in the news being burned with cigarettes , whipped with extentsion cords , and having bones broken. Why should I feel so bad , when all I saw was my dad beating my mom , fighting my brother or punching me in the mouth because he found a bottle cap behind the sugar canister in the kitchen. I used to have to have the house cleaned before he got home. Problem was , sometimes he came home early because he was drunk.

A week before my 18th birthday my dad was slapping me in the face for buying a 90cc Yamaha , of course he was drunk. He wouldn't quit , and kept following me around the kitchen and living room smacking me. I headed down the hall to my room to get away , hoping he would quit. He didn't and something snapped in me and I turned on him and got him down and started beating him , I couldn't quit. It always hurt that my mom got between us after I got him down.

After another 20 years of cycles snapping hurting people and depression I heard about a guy at work who went to the doctor and got a drug for violence/temper. I was at an all time low , I had just had a fight with my wife and I lost my temper and slapped her. She told me to get out , she was crying I was crying my daughter was crying. I had had enough , I grabbed my 45 and got in the car. I couldn't change so I had to end it. I sat in the car for awhile and decided I couldn't leave my daughter in this lousy world to fend for herself. I made an appointment with my doctor and told him what I had heard at work and how depressed I was.

He prescribed Pamelar. I think it took a couple of weeks but I can still remember sitting in the car one day and feeling happy for no reason.

Pamelar does something to correct a chemical imbalance. It changed my life , thinking back I wish someone would have helped me and got me started on the medicine as a teen.

I would fit the mold of the kids today that they put on Ritalin. My mind was like a run away frieght train , I had no idea where it was going to go or stop.

I believe after my experience that there are many people in prison for violence along with the pain and scars that they caused that didn't have to happen. That's where I was headed and why I believe children shouldn't suffer. It lasts for generations.

I hope someone watches out for these children and understands about ripples................

Peace

[Eustace]

Vigilante is a dangerous thing , because like anything else there are degrees of something.

Vigilante would suggest small groups acting on their own , which could lead to anything.

What I have tried to share with people in many articles here on Free Republic , is that Christians need to quit sitting on their hands waiting for Christ to do what they should do.

But then they're not taught anything like that in "incorporated" churches.

If we simply worked together to hold ourselves and our politicians to Gods' Laws many of our problems would disappear.

But we continue to elect crooks , perverts , adulterers etc , make excuses for them and pray for them. If "We" simply listened to what God has already told us , we would not put them in power above us. And the ones that got past us wouldn't last long.

An "incorporated" church CANNOT speak out against any legislation or candidate without the threat of losing their state granted "Tax Exempt" status. It's in the tax code under 501 (c) 3. Show me the separation of church and state , when the state controls what churches can say.

The way I see it if a church cannot say about our society or government what Christ would say , then they no longer speak for Christ , but the state.

I won't get into Churches being TAX FREE preventing the government intrusion we have today , but these little deceptions can be very deadly. Because as You said , people have put their faith in the government.

[ChemistCat]

What were you proposing the neighbors do then? There were multiple reports to the state and all of them were ignored (possibly because the couple was gay?) Short of taking baseball bats and moving in to liberate the kids, what could they have done?

And I'm serious about that. My father and a bunch of other fathers in my neighborhood got together and cleaned out a drug house on our block, shortly after I got married, when my little brother started doing drugs. The sheriff encouraged them to do so. He told them that if he went in and arrested these men they'd be bailed out and dealing again before the close of business that day, but he could come back in a few hours....

And so that's what happened.

[Eustace]

I applaude Your Dad and the others. I can easily see myself doing the samething.

Without being there it's hard for me to say. If I knew half of what the article said was true , first I would try to get the State to get those children into a different home , which today seems pretty easy , according to my daughter who told us she could leave when she was 16.

We went through two years of hell with her , chemical imbalance also. It appears to run back through my family and is supposed to be hereditary. Luckily I understood and got her to a doctor. Which wasn't as easy as I thought.

I called her doctor and told her of my concerns , she said she WOULDN'T prescribe anything unless she went to a psychologist first. So we jumped through the hoops.

I have my daughter back , but not before she made mistakes that will last a lifetime. Even I didn't understand at first what was going on.

"I would have hurt those people so bad that they couldn't take care of children , let alone abuse them."

Whether we like it or not , life is a fight. We either get in it or sit on the sidelines.

Thank You for Your time , discussion is a porweful weapon.

Peace Rick