Posted on 04/28/2003 2:46:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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"Free trade" is coming back to haunt us all over the world.
It ain't worth the price either.
The article does tempt when it says:
First, the United States must buck what is becoming a trend in the Western Hemisphere; namely, that democratic means are being manipulated by leftist leaders to preclude the United States from affecting or supporting "regime change," lest it appear to subvert the democratic process.
Democratic means are being used to seize power and asset control, not to thwart our "affecting" or "suppoerting". Like the islamic fascists say, "One Man -- One Vote -- One Time." The Rationalist Totalitarian Democracy threat is real, it is built into modern liberalism and will be defended by Jimmy Carter, the French Republic, Quebec and every school child raised on the teat of "democracy", the flavoring agent converted to the entre.
There is a nexus between these three countries and the problems exist, but thinking conservatives aren't out to manage the world.
It was also the neo-con cure all and it is clear how it has failed to live up to their promise in S. America.
Have you read Hernando de Soto's book, The Mystery of Capital yet? His experience in S. America watching the failure of Free Markets, alone, in the last fifteen years is telling. It turns out the Prescriptive Property Ownership, settled Rule of Law and other such Whiggish issues are all the difference.
I am an anti-communist. Are you?
This has always been the case in the past, and it will continue to be the case in the future. We will not allow the Iraqis to elect a Shi'ite zealot, for example. Would you prefer a system of "global governance" that keeps the American warmongers in check?
You seem to share Bill Clinton's dream of a future where the U.S. is the biggest dog on the street
Why do you always have the same positions as democrats and communists?
LOL!! We won't eh? Tell me, how well has that promise worked in the past with other Empires and their incessant intervention in the Middle East
All Communists threaten the U.S. by the very Anti-American nature of their ideology. It is a mistake to have given up the war on Communism at the end of the cold war. We should use take this opportunity while our enemy is weak to eradicate all Communists from the whole world.
Our Republic has succeeded where empires have failed. We will succeed again in Iraq precisely because we are not an empire, and this is not a colonialist enterprise. The Iraqis will be free, so long as they do not decide to be our enemies.
And this constant comparison of two nations, that while aggressive and in the case of Japan a somewhat violent history, to an entire region that has been at war for over 1000 years off and on is getting ridiculous. They're not even in the same league
The Iraqis will be free, so long as they do not decide to be our enemies.
Well that's not true now is it? Rumsfeld has already decided for the Iraqis which types of government are and are not acceptable. Freedom within the good graces of the victors. Yep, that sounds free to me...
They will be free, but not free to attack the U.S. or any of their other neighbors. They will be free to live in peace in a society ruled by laws, and not by the whims of the majority or the rule of demogogues.
If they don't like it, they can become the most powerful country in the world, and then they can do whatever they want.
So no democracy eh? I guess that throws out Bush's plans for 'global democracy'. Really I think you guys check with Kristol's nuts over at New American Century to get your talking points. The absolute arrogance that our way is so much better than it's done anywhere else in the world at any time is history is frightening. Talk about rampant nationalism. Tell me, do you have a big 'We're #1' foam finger that you wave around?
If they don't like it, they can become the most powerful country in the world, and then they can do whatever they want.
Oh, no, that's not an imperialistic view at all.... Might makes right is the new catchphrase. So now we dictate how other nations are to establish their governments? And you don't see shades of imperialism in that?!?
It is only you isolationists who equate U.S. global military might with Wilsonian "democracy-building." Bush has said that he expects the new Iraq to be a federal republic.
The absolute arrogance that our way is so much better than it's done anywhere else in the world at any time is history is frightening.
Are you French? Whose way is better? Take your moral relativism somewhere else.
Talk about rampant nationalism.
I am a nationalist. Are you?
So now we dictate how other nations are to establish their governments?
When we defeat them in war? Absolutely.
And Rumsfeld said it would be a democracy no questions asked, not a federal republic. Heck, it's not like we have one ourselves anymore. So the Iraqis are only as free as our government decides to let them be. That's freedom, right?
Are you French? Whose way is better? Take your moral relativism somewhere else
What moral relativism? You can't specifically say our way is better worldwide unless you've walked in the shoes of these people and know their way of life. It's absolute arrogance to tell those from other nations their way of life is not as good as ours
I am a nationalist. Are you?
Nope. Have been in the past, but then I grew up and quit seeing this nation of states as unflawed, just as every other nation is
When we defeat them in war? Absolutely
Ahhh, but that's not allowing the precious freedom Bush promised. And since the Iraqi people are left without leadership, and Bush specifically stated time and time again his problem was with the leadership and not the people, we didn't defeat the people did we? Why should they be punished because of what their leadership did? Face it, you're, and Bush's, argument only allows them to be as free as what the administration wants them to be free. So not completely free as promised by Bush
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