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The Gathering Storm: The Brazil-Venezuela-Cuba Axis
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | April 28, 2003 | Steven C. Baker

Posted on 04/28/2003 2:46:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Cindy
Looks like our "free trade" relationship with communist china is coming back to haunt us all over the world.
21 posted on 04/29/2003 6:04:02 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: PuNcH
Looks like our "free trade" relationship with communist china is coming back to haunt us all over the world.

Edit that:

"Free trade" is coming back to haunt us all over the world.

It ain't worth the price either.

22 posted on 04/29/2003 6:23:40 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Jeff Head
What's the latest on the Panama-China connection?
23 posted on 04/29/2003 6:29:58 AM PDT by CheneyChick
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To: CheneyChick
My understanding is that they control both ends of the canal ... they are continuing to build extensive facilities and they are pumping money and people into Panama.
24 posted on 04/29/2003 6:46:10 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: tpaine
I will agree with you that this solution is a fool's mission framed the way it is in this article.

The article does tempt when it says:
First, the United States must buck what is becoming a trend in the Western Hemisphere; namely, that democratic means are being manipulated by leftist leaders to preclude the United States from affecting or supporting "regime change," lest it appear to subvert the democratic process.

Democratic means are being used to seize power and asset control, not to thwart our "affecting" or "suppoerting". Like the islamic fascists say, "One Man -- One Vote -- One Time." The Rationalist Totalitarian Democracy threat is real, it is built into modern liberalism and will be defended by Jimmy Carter, the French Republic, Quebec and every school child raised on the teat of "democracy", the flavoring agent converted to the entre.

There is a nexus between these three countries and the problems exist, but thinking conservatives aren't out to manage the world.

25 posted on 04/29/2003 6:46:15 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Carry_Okie
"Free trade" is coming back to haunt us all over the world.

It was also the neo-con cure all and it is clear how it has failed to live up to their promise in S. America.

Have you read Hernando de Soto's book, The Mystery of Capital yet? His experience in S. America watching the failure of Free Markets, alone, in the last fifteen years is telling. It turns out the Prescriptive Property Ownership, settled Rule of Law and other such Whiggish issues are all the difference.

26 posted on 04/29/2003 6:54:03 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: billbears
I truly didn't think the neocons were this serious or this deranged.

I am an anti-communist. Are you?

27 posted on 04/30/2003 12:28:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I'm a person that believes in returning to a Constitutional Republic and the federal government to the position it is supposed to be in the lives of the citizens of the respective states. How does an unwarranted attack on a separate and sovereign nation do that?
28 posted on 04/30/2003 12:35:15 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears; tpaine
in the future if any nation's population elects a leader that these United States disagree with policy wise, our government could in effect call for a regime change and have them removed

This has always been the case in the past, and it will continue to be the case in the future. We will not allow the Iraqis to elect a Shi'ite zealot, for example. Would you prefer a system of "global governance" that keeps the American warmongers in check?

You seem to share Bill Clinton's dream of a future where the U.S. is the biggest dog on the street

Why do you always have the same positions as democrats and communists?

29 posted on 04/30/2003 12:35:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We will not allow the Iraqis to elect a Shi'ite zealot, for example

LOL!! We won't eh? Tell me, how well has that promise worked in the past with other Empires and their incessant intervention in the Middle East

30 posted on 04/30/2003 12:40:05 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Any regime which threatens us warrants its overthrow and complete destruction. Our government is obligated to protec us from all threats, whether they have the capability to carry them out or not.

All Communists threaten the U.S. by the very Anti-American nature of their ideology. It is a mistake to have given up the war on Communism at the end of the cold war. We should use take this opportunity while our enemy is weak to eradicate all Communists from the whole world.

31 posted on 04/30/2003 12:42:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: billbears
We turned Germany and Japan, the two most hostile and violent regimes in the history of the world into peaceful, democratic, capitalist allies.

Our Republic has succeeded where empires have failed. We will succeed again in Iraq precisely because we are not an empire, and this is not a colonialist enterprise. The Iraqis will be free, so long as they do not decide to be our enemies.

32 posted on 04/30/2003 12:46:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Much ado about nothing. Let these people waste their money. The real bottom line to all of this is that we should have shut down our border a long time ago but we refuse to do it. There is no national security threat more urgent than the guarding of our borders.
33 posted on 04/30/2003 12:53:10 PM PDT by grapeape (Hope is not a method. - Gen. Hugh Sheldon)
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To: Carry_Okie
China is everywhere that there is a possibility of countering the US interests.
34 posted on 04/30/2003 1:16:34 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Tailgunner Joe
We turned Germany and Japan, the two most hostile and violent regimes in the history of the world into peaceful, democratic, capitalist allies.

And this constant comparison of two nations, that while aggressive and in the case of Japan a somewhat violent history, to an entire region that has been at war for over 1000 years off and on is getting ridiculous. They're not even in the same league

The Iraqis will be free, so long as they do not decide to be our enemies.

Well that's not true now is it? Rumsfeld has already decided for the Iraqis which types of government are and are not acceptable. Freedom within the good graces of the victors. Yep, that sounds free to me...

35 posted on 04/30/2003 1:28:37 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
You're right. Iraq is not even close to being in the same league as the threat was from Japan or Germany. That will make it all the easier to reform them.

They will be free, but not free to attack the U.S. or any of their other neighbors. They will be free to live in peace in a society ruled by laws, and not by the whims of the majority or the rule of demogogues.

If they don't like it, they can become the most powerful country in the world, and then they can do whatever they want.

36 posted on 04/30/2003 1:37:30 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
There is no doubt in my mind that the author is correct. The only problem is he left out the worst anti-American nation of all--Mexico! Why is the admin so blind about them?
37 posted on 04/30/2003 1:43:46 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (ax accountant)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
They will be free, but not free to attack the U.S. or any of their other neighbors. They will be free to live in peace in a society ruled by laws, and not by the whims of the majority or the rule of demogogues.

So no democracy eh? I guess that throws out Bush's plans for 'global democracy'. Really I think you guys check with Kristol's nuts over at New American Century to get your talking points. The absolute arrogance that our way is so much better than it's done anywhere else in the world at any time is history is frightening. Talk about rampant nationalism. Tell me, do you have a big 'We're #1' foam finger that you wave around?

If they don't like it, they can become the most powerful country in the world, and then they can do whatever they want.

Oh, no, that's not an imperialistic view at all.... Might makes right is the new catchphrase. So now we dictate how other nations are to establish their governments? And you don't see shades of imperialism in that?!?

38 posted on 04/30/2003 1:49:34 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
I guess that throws out Bush's plans for 'global democracy'.

It is only you isolationists who equate U.S. global military might with Wilsonian "democracy-building." Bush has said that he expects the new Iraq to be a federal republic.

The absolute arrogance that our way is so much better than it's done anywhere else in the world at any time is history is frightening.

Are you French? Whose way is better? Take your moral relativism somewhere else.

Talk about rampant nationalism.

I am a nationalist. Are you?

So now we dictate how other nations are to establish their governments?

When we defeat them in war? Absolutely.

Might Makes Right

39 posted on 04/30/2003 1:58:27 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Bush has said that he expects the new Iraq to be a federal republic.

And Rumsfeld said it would be a democracy no questions asked, not a federal republic. Heck, it's not like we have one ourselves anymore. So the Iraqis are only as free as our government decides to let them be. That's freedom, right?

Are you French? Whose way is better? Take your moral relativism somewhere else

What moral relativism? You can't specifically say our way is better worldwide unless you've walked in the shoes of these people and know their way of life. It's absolute arrogance to tell those from other nations their way of life is not as good as ours

I am a nationalist. Are you?

Nope. Have been in the past, but then I grew up and quit seeing this nation of states as unflawed, just as every other nation is

When we defeat them in war? Absolutely

Ahhh, but that's not allowing the precious freedom Bush promised. And since the Iraqi people are left without leadership, and Bush specifically stated time and time again his problem was with the leadership and not the people, we didn't defeat the people did we? Why should they be punished because of what their leadership did? Face it, you're, and Bush's, argument only allows them to be as free as what the administration wants them to be free. So not completely free as promised by Bush

40 posted on 04/30/2003 2:45:16 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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