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Egyptian Sailor Dies in Brazil From Anthrax- Brazil Police
Reuters ^ | April 28, 2003

Posted on 04/28/2003 10:28:14 AM PDT by Shermy

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To: aristeides
Covering up a drug death by handling anthrax bacilli strikes me as an extremely dangerous way to cover up a drug death.

Agreed, unless it wasn't anthrax. One of the reports yesterday said they were going to do another autopsy next week. That would seem unnecessary, since all they would have to do is send blood samples to independent verifiers (CDC, WHO, etc.) to confirm anthrax. Much of this story is not making sense.

342 posted on 04/29/2003 8:55:30 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Badabing Badaboom
Don't forget Bob Stevens managed to drive from N. Carolina to Florida. He got home, went to bed, and in the early hours of the morning his wife had to take him to hospital. He was almost in a coma. He died 3 days latert, but his life was probably prolonged by IC etc.

From a CBS story about Stevens' widow:

On a trip to North Carolina, Mrs. Stevens says her husband became flushed and feverish. His condition worsened on the drive back to Florida.

"He just couldn't get warm," she recalls. "He was wearing a jacket, but he was just shivering."

Two days later, Steven was in the hospital fighting for his life.

One of the postal workers was (unfortunately) sent home by his doctor, but both had been sick enough to stay home (fatigue, fever, etc.) for five days before they died on their first day of hospitalization. In sum, none of these three would have seemed well enough to work, or fit for an ocean voyage, for at least five days before their death, let alone 24 hours before.

344 posted on 04/29/2003 9:26:48 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Badabing Badaboom
I seriously doubt Saddam will be speaking to anyone in Iraq any time soon. His fate was most likely figured out at Aziz's meeting with the Russian envoy, and it doesn't involve giving any pep talks to the Iraqi people -- just lots of long nights sitting by the fire drinking Johnny Walker Black and reminiscing about the good old days with his boys. As for this "anthrax" case, I think it is looking more and more like a false alarm.
346 posted on 04/29/2003 10:35:19 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: Shermy
Bump!
347 posted on 04/29/2003 10:35:56 AM PDT by k2blader ("Go not to the elves for counsel, for they will say both yes and no." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
I think that pathology is an imprecise science and that there are folks like the infamous Dr. Fahmy Malak all over.
349 posted on 04/29/2003 11:06:13 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
"Suicide, by a man who was run over with a bulldozer and shot." -- hehehe. Good one!
350 posted on 04/29/2003 11:08:33 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: pokerbuddy0; The Great Satan; aristeides; Allan; FairOpinion; Badabing Badaboom
BRASILIA, Brazil - A Brazilian police officer says there is no substance to reports that an Eygptian sailor believed killed by anthrax was in possession of a suitcase filled with the deady bacteria.

What exactly "is" a suitcase full of anthrax? That's easy to deny. And note he said he didn't "find anything alarming." A lawyer could run into the ground the loopholes and assumptions and deflections in that statement.

What if it were a "package", perhaps in a suitcase? Here is today's story in "O Liberal" from Belem

PF confirma contaminação por antraz

PF confirms contamination for anthrax

The Federal Policy affirmed yesterday that it is practically certain that the member of the crew of an Egyptian freighter who died in Pará, in day 11 of April, was victim of the anthrax. In interview to the agency of Reuters notice, the agent of the PF Fernando Sergio I castrate said that the possibility of the Egyptian Ibrahim Saed Ibrahim to have died because of the substance is of 90%. Ibrahim died in Port Trumpets, city of Oriximiná, in the West of Pará. As the finding of the autopsy made for the Legal Medical Institute of Belém, it after faleceu to vomit, to suffer to internal hemorrhage and multiple bankruptcy from the agencies.

Ibrahim Saed Ibrahim left the Cairo, capital of Egypt, airplane.

He made scale in São Paulo and he followed for Macapá, in the Amapá, where he embarked in a cargo ship for Port Trumpets, where if he locates the Mining River of the North, subsidiary of the Company Valley of the River Candy. In accordance with the Federal Policy, Ibrahim Saed Ibrahim carried an addressed package to Canada, that could be contaminated with the anthrax. When handling this package, the Egyptian can have been contaminated.

The superintendent of the Federal Policy in Pará, Geraldo Araújo, said that the authorities of Canada had been alerted by Brazil on the possibility of attempts, on the part of terrorists, to send for that country, through Brazil, lethal substances as the anthrax.

Mineradora - the Mining River of Norte (MRN) yesterday divulged note on the death of the Egyptian engineer Ibrahim Sayed Soliman Ibraim, in Port Trumpets, the city of Oriximiná, where the company keeps project of bauxite exploration. The engineer would have lost contaminated for the bacterium anthrax, that was world-wide famous for the presumption use in terrorist attacks, through contaminated correspondences.

The MRN guaranteed that all the foreign ships, that Trumpets anchor in Port possess Free the Practical one (folloied certificate of inspection report), granted for the National Agency of Sanitary Monitoring (Anvisa). The company remembers that a ship alone can operate all in the Domestic territory by means of this release. For this, the Sanitary Monitoring carries through inspection in the boats in the first port of entrance in Brazil.

In the case of the ships with destination the Port Trumpets, that is made in the Anchorage of Fazendinha (Amapá). The company still waits the official finding of Instituto Médico Legal (IML) of Belém on the cause of the member of the crew death Ibrahim, occured in Port Trumpets, day 11 of April. According to preliminary report of the IML, the death can have been provoked for the bacterium anthrax.

The Egyptian one was mate Wadi Alarab. Originating the Cairo, the member of the crew disembarked in Brazil, in São Paulo, where she caught a connection for Macapá, in Amapá. He was in the Anchorage of Fazendinha that it embarked in the ship with destination the Port Trumpets. The MRN standed out that the embarkment of the Egyptian was carried through at the moment of the inspection of the Anvisa. The ship arrived the Port Trumpets in day 10 of April, being that the official visit of the local port authorities (Federal Prescription, Federal Policy and Docenave) was carried through in day 11 of April.

In that one exactly day, the immediate one was found died in its cabin and had the body directed for Belém. The principle, the autopsy identified to a followed spill of collapse and death for asphyxia, that demanded a toxicológico examination to inquire the existence of some another cause.

Already a preliminary report, divulged in day 16 of April, suggested the possibilities of the death to have occurred due to an infection for Bacillus anthrax B. the body of Ibrahim Sayed Soliman Ibraim still meets in the Legal Medical Institute of Belém.

The MRN also informed that one has equipped of the Anvisa is in Port Trumpets since the last friday, 25 and comes esclarecerecendo doubts of local, representative port authorities of the Docenave and the Mining River of the North regarding the procedures adopted for the agency in the Anchorage of Fazendinha. Moreover, a new routine of inspection of foreign ships, the order of the Federal Policy was argued, in case that some appears case suspected in the passage between Fazendinha and Porto Trumpets. http://www.oliberal.com.br/policia/default5.asp#n1

352 posted on 04/29/2003 11:19:13 AM PDT by Shermy
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"pacote" is the word here translated by Babelfish as "package."
353 posted on 04/29/2003 11:20:51 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: The Great Satan
Why do you think a corrupt pathologist in Belem, Brazil might have an interest in manufacturing a false case of anthrax poisoning?
354 posted on 04/29/2003 11:23:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Shermy
According to one on line dictionary "pacote" means "packet, parcel, bundle, package"
355 posted on 04/29/2003 11:26:02 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Another article used the two words "pacote" and "embalagem". They both mean "package".
356 posted on 04/29/2003 11:26:17 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Badabing Badaboom; Mitchell; Fred Mertz; oceanview
Well, I don't discount that the anthrax is still a threat. If we take the situation at face value -- Saddam, Uday, Qusay are all alive, at large, know where the biologicals are cached, have no fixed assets to play for, and every reason to want to revenge themselves on the United States -- then we are in deep doo-doo. Which is one of many reasons I don't take the story that we are clueless as to the whereabouts of Hussein at face value. My other reasons include that it is a priori logical for us to use the Russians to defuse the situation, and a priori logical for us to pretend we didn't know anything about it, that it is by now quite clear that the US has been lying to us about the so-called decapitation strikes, and more and more hints are surfacing that a Russian-brokered surrender is, in fact, exactly what happened. But, it is still "just a theory."

As to this "anthrax" case, I grow more convinced with each passing hour that it's a red herring. There are six billion people on this planet. Several million of them died of various causes during the Iraq campaign. How surprising is that someone, somewhere, went off half-cocked and misconstrued one of those millions of deaths as being connected with bioterrorism when it wasn't?

357 posted on 04/29/2003 11:30:41 AM PDT by The Great Satan (Revenge, Terror and Extortion: A Guide for the Perplexed)
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To: Badabing Badaboom
Yes, it was a non-denial denial, from both the Canadians and the Brazilians.
359 posted on 04/29/2003 11:35:13 AM PDT by aristeides
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