Santorum is Right

AgapePress ^ | April 25, 2003 | R. Cort Kirkwood

[11th Earl of Mar]

For some people, so is repentance.

[Maelstrom]

Adultury is a breach of contract. It bears civil penalties in almost all states. It also is a crime in most continental states. It can lead to a number of negative health issues on innocent persons. It can also lead to fraudulent child-care costs. If you don't view adultery through candy-coated lenses, there are a number of specific unintended consequences that can be readily identified, and a number of unintended consequences that probably cannot be predicted.

However, Santorum listed a number of other crimes that should be of greater concern. His list was not a complete list. It was Santorum's listing of unintended consquences which you seem to think was a casting of morally equivalent actions and it was to that which I responded.

Santorum did not list them as morally equivalent, but only as additional deviant behavior that would be protected by a different Supreme Court ruling.

[Remedy]

The links in post #38 are firm to head and gentle to the heart.

[Remedy]

BUMP!

[MHGinTN]

Actually, I don't think you get it. Here's waht you wrote in an above post: Setting the prostate pals's copulation desires aside for the moment, just when is the State, under penalty of law, allowed to investigate and prosecute consenting adults for actions affecting no one else while in the privacy of one's own home? These proscribed behaviors are having drastic consequences for the state of Texas and likely every other state where AIDS and STD's are burdening the healthcare systems. As a taxpayer, I'm reminded of how much the taxpayer's bills would drop if these disease realities were far smaller. I live in Tennessee. We have TennCare, and it is devastating our state budget because any disease treatment must be born by the taxpayers, if the diseased person(s) fit the criteria for care on demand. This same tax burden can be illustrated in other behavior choices, such as drunkeness (a drunk driver using his own private property is a menace on public roads and the mayhem caused by these behaviors translates into real tax burdens for the citizens of the state and community; I'll leave you to make the clear connections, without addressing bedroom policing as so many defenders of degeneracy try to do). Adultery statutes give teeth to court actions against deadbeat fathers who choose to ignore their child support payments. The list is rather long of proscribed behaviors lending weight to protecting the society as a whole. That you choose to ignore these signals is a mystery. [And citing the exception to behavioral choices isn't a good way to make a broad and general case.]

[Right_in_Virginia]

Santorum did not list them as morally equivalent, but only as additional deviant behavior that would be protected by a different Supreme Court ruling.

Bingo! ~ And, this is the point those attacking Santorum refuse to "get". Santorum was speaking to the unintended consequences of strengthening the legal precedent of "privacy rights".

[11th Earl of Mar]

My point is that Santorum's comments played right into the hands of the liberals. We have a Texas law that bans homosexual contact.

Santorum said: "If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to ... adultery."

The natural conclusion is that Santorum wants to make illegal, or prosecute, adultery. As an earlier poster said, this would make criminals out of Hyde, Gincrich, Livingston, etc.

My quesions remain:

If adultery is illegal? Are they prosecuting it?

Last I read, nearly one in four children born are born out of wedlock.

Any government big and powerful enough to prosecute the parents on such a large segment of the nation's children over the "crime of adultery" is big enough to jail me for homeschooling and owning owning three SUVs.

This means that probably ten to thirty percent of our adult population would go to jail. Which criminals do we let go to make room for the millions of adulterers?

He made a poor comparision. He will suffer some temporary lumps brought on by words he probably would like to change.

But soon the country will be focused on real problems and all this will be forgotten.

[11th Earl of Mar]

Since nearly one in four children in America are born out of wedlock, what do you suppose we should do with all the evidence of criminal wrong doing that fill our public school classrooms?

[Remedy]

BUMP!

[LizardQueen]

That wasn't me, that was SevenDaysinMay. Please watch your attributions.

LQ

[11th Earl of Mar]

I agree with much of what you posted.

My difficulty was with what the Senator said:

"If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to ... adultery."

[Remedy]

Homeschooling and owning owning three SUVs = born out of wedlock criminal wrong doing via adultery is the statement of a moral moron.

If the public is has no more moral common sense than this, then this country is doomed.

The Decline of a Nation Nations most often fall from within, and this fall is usually due to a decline in the moral and spiritual values in the family. As families go, so goes a nation.

This has been the main premise of thinkers from British historian J. D. Unwin to Russian sociologist Pitirim Sorokin who have studied civilizations that have collapsed. In his book Our Dance Has Turned to Death, Carl Wilson identifies the common pattern of family decline in ancient Greece and the Roman Empire. Notice how these seven stages parallel what is happening in our nation today. In the first stage, men ceased to lead their families in worship. Spiritual and moral development became secondary. Their view of God became naturalistic, mathematical, and mechanical.

In the second stage, men selfishly neglected care of their wives and children to pursue material wealth, political and military power, and cultural development. Material values began to dominate thought, and the man began to exalt his own role as an individual. The third stage involved a change in men's sexual values. Men who were preoccupied with business or war either neglected their wives sexually or became involved with lower-class women or with homosexuality. Ultimately, a double standard of morality developed. The fourth stage affected women. The role of women at home and with children lost value and status. Women were neglected and their roles devalued. Soon they revolted to gain access to material wealth and also freedom for sex outside marriage. Women also began to minimize having sex relations to conceive children, and the emphasis became sex for pleasure. Marriage laws were changed to make divorce easy.

In the fifth stage, husbands and wives competed against each other for money, home leadership, and the affection of their children. This resulted in hostility and frustration and possible homosexuality in the children. Many marriages ended in separation and divorce.

Many children were unwanted, aborted, abandoned, molested, and undisciplined. The more undisciplined children became, the more social pressure there was not to have children. The breakdown of the home produced anarchy.

In the sixth stage, selfish individualism grew and carried over into society, fragmenting it into smaller and smaller group loyalties. The nation was thus weakened by internal conflict. The decrease in the birthrate produced an older population that had less ability to defend itself and less will to do so, making the nation more vulnerable to its enemies.

Finally, unbelief in God became more complete, parental authority diminished, and ethical and moral principles disappeared, affecting the economy and government. Thus, by internal weakness and fragmentation the societies came apart. There was no way to save them except by a dictator who arose from within or by barbarians who invaded from without.

Although this is an ancient pattern of decline found in Greece and Rome, it is relevant today. Families are the foundation of a nation. When the family crumbles, the nation falls because nations are built upon family units. They are the true driving social force. A nation will not be strong unless the family is strong. That was true in the ancient world and it is true today.

 

 

[11th Earl of Mar]

I am saying that by making sodomy okay, we open the door to whatever may come down the road next. Animals anyone?

And Santorum's comments lead the average listener to believe the same thing... in reverse.

"If we allow the government to ban 'gay' sex, what's down the road? I guess adultery will be next since he mentioned it."

[11th Earl of Mar]

Homeschooling and owning owning three SUVs = born out of wedlock criminal wrong doing via adultery is the statement of a moral moron.

No, only a moron would believe that we should give such power to government.

As they say:

Don't give the government any power you wouldn't want Hillary Clinton to have.

And I agree about the moral decay, etc. But do you really think that criminalizing and jailing adulterers will work?

[MHGinTN]

You are correct, I pulled it from post #27. Perhaps it was your post that was the last in the column when I clicked to reply. Sorry for the mix up. Now, how do you feel.

[11th Earl of Mar]

he was trying to say that once we open up this can of worms, once we give in and start passing these laws, we are setting ourselves up for a decline...possibly. <--IMO

I agree. And I wish he would have stated it like you just did. [And Rick Santorum probably wishes for the same thing.]