Jail term won't alter juror's defiant attitude [amazing stupidity]

Grand Rapids Press ^ | Friday, April 25, 2003 | Barton Deiters and Doug Guthrie

[John Lenin]

The guy voted in an election, thats how they get your name for jury duty, if he's going to vote he should expect something to asked in retun.

[Iris7]

Perhaps you wish to reconsider your earlier remark, "Perhaps you'd be happier somewhere where not so many folks understod (sic) the principles of liberty."

That shoe must be one of yours, because it certainly does not fit me.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"The guy had obviously had piss poor parenting and was an extremely poor judge of limits and boundaries of reasonable behavior. He was over due for being slapped down hard."

Of course! By his contempt for being called in for his government slavery, his anger at the attempted enslavement is perfect proof of his unfitness to be a parent. You and Janet Reno would be in agreement here! Burn down his house for holding more powerful views of human liberty than you do!

"Better now than after he knocks the head off of his child or significant other. I'm just not sure this will be a sufficient lesson from the sounds of things."

When you have no case, the government thug calls the the "accused" an abuser or molester. Anyone who questions government thugs is a wife beater, right?

[Cultural Jihad]

I'm amazed at the number of folks on this board who think jury service is tantamount to slavery. I hope you folks never need a jury to decide on you when its your day in court.

Undoubtedly it's the same professional malcontents who try to claim that speeding tickets constitute a 'Constitutional crisis.'

[1rudeboy]

As an aside, you are not gaining many potential clients here.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"The guards and prisoners experiments of Zimbardo are illustrative."

Powerful stuff. Give a mediocre high-school grad mirrored sunglasses and a ticket book, and he will be goose-stepping over the peons within days.

[pave palestine]

Is April 15th already such a distant memory that you have already forgotten it?

[Atlas Sneezed]

"The guy voted in an election, thats how they get your name for jury duty, if he's going to vote he should expect something to asked in retun."

The poll tax went out years ago.

[John Lenin]

There is a real simple out to being called for jury duty, don't vote.

[neutrino]

I was called once - funny how they didn't select me. I don't suppose it could have had anything to do with the fact that I scowled at the plaintiff and nodded and smiled at the defendent.

Or that I pointedly ignored the proceedings and looked out the window until the lawyers asked their questions. (Grin!)

[Atlas Sneezed]

"There is a real simple out to being called for jury duty, don't vote."

Nice name! Since when is forced labor (on threat of imprisonment) a requirement for civic self-determination?

[Quix]

For sure.

Zimbardo is a quality person.

I wrote asking for copyright release on some net posting and he wrote back very charitably and warmly HIMSELF--not some secretary.

I also liked a sentence or so in a preface to his first rate Psych text.

He talked about how the Nazi war criminals went through extensive testing and were found to be

NOT A BIG DIFFERENT

from the rest of us.

that it's one thing when there are some monsters

OUT THERE.

We can track them down and kill them one by one no matter how big and awful.

But when the monster is within all of us . . .

That's a different order of problem

and a different order of scary

. . . .

as her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery illustrates so fully and horribly.

But then,

this is the description of man that
The Bible affirms as reality, too.

[John Lenin]

You do get paid to serve on a jury so the slave labor is a lie. Most big companies even pay your regular salary if you are called for jury duty.

[Cultural Jihad]

Jurors shirkers in chains!

[Steel Wolf]

Wow! You really persuaded me of the righteousness of your position. The fact that cops have the power to make me physically suffer for expressing my principles of liberty is powerful evidenc that their power is rightful! /sarcasm> I'm sure the Warsaw Ghetto Jews would have been equally persuaded.

Well, if the Jews didn't skip jury duty, then they wouldn't have wound up in the Warsaw Ghetto in the first place.

Seriously, are you posting from your militia compound? Do the black helicopters buzzing overhead keep you up at night? Are you writing out a manifesto against Western civilization, capitalism and technology?

Don't you hate the fact that you can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theater? Those statist bastards, infringing on your rights. Perhaps a glorious People's revolution, where the power is consolodated into the hands of the proletariat, where all men are free from jury duty exploitation, would be more to your liking?

No one here is saying that we should have unquestioned obedience to the State, but how on Earth can we function as a society if the law doesn't mean anything?

[judgeandjury]

Lett originally responded by leaving an obscenity-laced message on VanTimmeren's voice-mail.

Lett claims he had no idea that his statement was being taped...

Oh, really?

[Quix]

Not at all.

His language and behavior demonstrate a very low degree of impulse control.

AND,

there's no slavery to a reasonable duty to live in a largely free society.

I didn't consider military service slavery either.

You don't like jury duty--go live in a culture without it.

It's part of the package of BEING AN AMERICAN--especially being an AMERICAN CARRYING YOUR SHARE OF THE LOAD

REGARDLESS OF WHAT OTHER JOKERS DO.

I stand by my psychological assessment of the joker even from this distance and this amount of info.

Even though violent acting out is by research findings very hard to predict . . .

I will predict . . .

unless this guy alters his underlying attitudes and ways of being in the world--someone close to him or a store clerk or co-worker or boss down the road is going to be hurting much more than from just the emotional hurts he likely flings right and left with abandon.

My record on such predictions is not flawless but is evidently much above the average of my peers according to them.

[Cultural Jihad]

"Da judge didn't lika our accents! An' dat's why we'sa being hung!"

[patton]

I got called for jury duty twice - when I was a private in the army, serving overseas. I was excused.

Now that I serve on the Selective Service Board, and have degrees in engineering and maths, they don't want me.

[dighton]

As an aside, you are not gaining many potential clients here.

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