Jail term won't alter juror's defiant attitude [amazing stupidity]

Grand Rapids Press ^ | Friday, April 25, 2003 | Barton Deiters and Doug Guthrie

[Cultural Jihad]

"Bosses..."

[Steel Wolf]

You gotta love a statist tyrant whose LOW threshold for "bad behavior" is mere *expression* of his views on a government answering machine.

Try a mere *expression* of your views to a cop next time you see one. I'm sure that being the principaled citizen you are, you'll give that statist thug hell, unless, of course, he's there to protect you because you called 911.

I guess the thought police are alive and well on Free Republic!

No, but some of us are out here doing our part to keep America working, and we resent whiny, selfish adolescents who can't be bothered to perform the simplest of tasks in support of the republic.

[Sloth]

But this poor shlub he has no car, takes a cab, has to care for his 1-year-old daughter, and cannot afford to miss time at his maintenance job.

What evidence do you have that any of this is true, beyond the scumbag's own word?

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Uh-huh. Do you habitually tell judges to go **** themselves?"

No. But many of them deserve it, especially from the citizens who have invested in them the power they have so often abused.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Southern Poverty Law Center, eh Komrade?"

No, just a very conservative lawyer who understands and fights for YOUR liberty, wnd who lived and practiced too lng in the "blue zone" (let's just call it the 9th circuit).

I have seen conservative innocent people raped by these "judges" you admire so innocently.

[Cultural Jihad]

"I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night ..."

[DeFault User]

I would gladly serve on a jury if I knew that there would be no "voir dire" to exclude jurors with an iota of common sense.

Answering attorneys' questions intelligently during voir dire certainly helps get you out of the box. Another surefire exclusion is if you have anything to do with insurance (civil cases).

I heard the Russians several years ago came up with a good idea (I don't know if it was implemented): The Court would employ a psychologist who briefly interviews prospective jurors to determine if they are reasonably intelligent and capable of reaching a rational decision. Prosecutors and defense attorneys don't have a say in the selection of the jury. Sounds better than our present circus.

[1rudeboy]

Ok, if you are a conservative lawyer, then surely you can identify the portion of the US Constitution that troubles you so.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"You're a friggin' attorney? Did you discuss the concept of "civic virtue" in Constitutional Law when you were a 2L?"

You mean being a slave to a state that abuses convservatives?

What is your point?!

[Quix]

The guy had obviously had piss poor parenting and was an extremely poor judge of limits and boundaries of reasonable behavior.

He was over due for being slapped down hard. Better now than after he knockes the head off of his child or significant other. I'm just not sure this will be a sufficient lesson from the sounds of things.

The system involved sounds like an exceedingly reasonable system that thoughtfully considers each case. The guy pushed the limits way beyond reason. He earned what he got.

I read the judge as reluctant but wise enough to realize when enough is enough and well able to take the needed action decisively. Good for him.

AS to why others don't do the proper thing . . .

How many proper parents can you count out of the closest 100 parent couples you know?

That is, they give LOVE = T I M E to their children ages 1-6 particularly in affection and heart-level listening etc. and modeling and setting fitting limits and affirming their worth as individuals with responsibilities and privileges. ???

[Cultural Jihad]

"Right on, counselor!"

[1rudeboy]

Please see my #68, as it passed your response.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Try a mere *expression* of your views to a cop next time you see one."

Wow! You really persuaded me of the righteousness of your position. The fact that cops have the power to make me physically suffer for expressing my principles of liberty is powerful evidenc that their power is rightful! /sarcasm>

I'm sure the Warsaw Ghetto Jews would have been equally persuaded.

[Cultural Jihad]

The system involved sounds like an exceedingly reasonable system that thoughtfully considers each case. The guy pushed the limits way beyond reason. He earned what he got.

But ... but ... I thought anarcho-conservatism means never having to be personally responsible for one's actions! It's all the fault of the Blue Meanies, isn't it?! ;)

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Ok, if you are a conservative lawyer, then surely you can identify the portion of the US Constitution that troubles you so."

I am troubled not by the Constitution.

I am troubled by the abuse of it by petty tyrants, like this Michgan Judge.

[dighton]

No, just a very conservative lawyer who understands and fights for YOUR liberty, wnd who lived and practiced too lng in the "blue zone" (let's just call it the 9th circuit).

I have seen conservative innocent people raped by these "judges" you admire so innocently.

Please don't be shy. Who are you?

[Quix]

Guess I'm ill informed and out of touch on all that.

Certainly the blue meanies get blamed for a lot of crud.

Sometimes they are arrogant sob's too.

But mostly they are hard working, dutiful, vulnerable, risk taking folks who's families often pay a heavy price.

The guards and prisoners experiments of Zimbardo are illustrative.

[Tall_Texan]

And what does this loser do with his one-year-old daughter when he's busy fixing toilets all day?

I'm amazed at the number of folks on this board who think jury service is tantamount to slavery. I hope you folks never need a jury to decide on you when its your day in court.

I serve whenever called in part because government needs the watchdog. I'm there to do my part to make sure the guilty are convicted and to do my part to make sure the innocent are not. I try to be fair to all parties and mindful of the law.

I've never been a plaintiff or a defendant but, if I ever were, I'd want people who took the responsibility of jury service seriously when deciding my fate.

The more intelligent and sensible people who "get out" of jury duty, the more our legal system is left to those who aren't. Just remember that the next time you tear up your jury summons. One day, it could be your turn on the other side of that stripe.

You sound like the whiny peace protesters who yell "free speech" while others die for the freedoms and peace that they take for granted.

I'm thoroughly unimpressed with people who can think of nothing other than themselves.

[1rudeboy]

Paraphrasing Rep. Jim Rogan during the House Impeachment Hearings, "When I was a judge, if an attorney tried to make that argument before me, I would contact the State Bar Association and inquire as to the status of his law license."

[Cultural Jihad]

I'm sure the Warsaw Ghetto Jews would have been equally persuaded.

Warsaw children orphaned by Judge Donald Johnston, who murdered their parents for failing to appear for jury duty.