Religious Conservatives Rally behind Santorum

CNSNews.com ^ | 4/25/03 | Christine Hall

[f.Christian]

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On the contrary, I am the one who is persecuted for my lack of faith.

fC ...

lack of faith ? ? ?

atheist noun [C]
someone who believes that God or gods do not exist

Compare agnostic.

agnostic noun [C]
someone who does not know, or believes that it is impossible to know, whether a god exists

[mabelkitty]

Actually, I think you lose half of your First Amendment. ;)


Don't be offended if I pray for you.

[mabelkitty]

However, even in a Christian state, you have power hungry people who will exploit the sheep to achieve their own gains.

The Fouding Fathers even knew that. We're human. We do stupid things. We fail.

[Conservative Me]

Mabel, I couldn't be offended by that. Be sure to keep everyone in your prayers. There are those who need them more than I, I'm afraid.

[Conservative Me]

faith

(Theol.) (a) The belief in the historic truthfulness of the Scripture narrative, and the supernatural origin of its teachings, sometimes called historical and speculative faith. (b) The belief in the facts and truth of the Scriptures, with a practical love of them; especially, that confiding and affectionate belief in the person and work of Christ, which affects the character and life, and makes a man a true Christian, -- called a practical, evangelical, or saving faith.

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Yes, lack of faith. Would you like to continue this? You are trying to spilt hairs here. I know you would like me to consider myself an agnostic, but I don't and I have not for years. I am sure my Atheism scares you and you believe it to be a threat somehow.

Get over yourself already.

[Robert Drobot]

Bump diddy bump.

[f.Christian]

Quick definitions (Zealot)


noun: a fervent and even militant proponent of something

[Conservative Me]

Describing yourself?

[Dataman]

Do not be so arrogant to believe that your faith is the only faith and everyone else should just conform.

fc makes a good point. He doesn't have to argue that his faith is the only faith. Jesus Christ himself said that. Nobody requires that you conform. Christians allow atheists to choose but I'm not entirely sure it works both ways.

[Dataman]

Christ was not hateful, judgemental, etc.

Certainly he was not hateful but he does judge:

Jesus himself said:

For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgement to the Son.

[f.Christian]

Main Entry: 1faith
Pronunciation: 'fAth
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural faiths /'fAths, sometimes 'fA[th]z/
Etymology: Middle English feith, from Old French feid, foi, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust -- more at BIDE
Date: 13th century
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : LOYALTY b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
synonym see BELIEF
- in faith : without doubt or question : VERILY

[Conservative Me]

You have some misconception of what Atheism is. We don't care if you believe in God. We do not try to make you become an Atheist. Christians do not "allow" Atheists to choose our lack of faith because it is not for Christians to "allow." No one's faith is up to anyone except their own. If Christians "allowed" Atheists anything, they would not tell us that we are going to hell (like it is up to them anyway).

I don't mean to sound bitter, because I am not. I just wish Christians realized that Atheists are not the enemy. We are not the moral degradation of this country.

IMO there are far more immoral Christians than there are immoral Atheists, and that is only because Christians far outnumber Atheists. I am not saying that Christians are immoral by nature, just as Atheists are not immoral by nature.

Do you know any Atheists personally? We do not want to choose anyone's faith for them. We just want respect.

[Dataman]

We don't care if you believe in God.

Who is "we?" Maybe you are different but MM O'Hair got prayer out of schools with the help of other atheists. Then there are the usual FR atheists who enjoy attacking Christians.

[Conservative Me]

Public schools are not attended only by Christians. If you want to allow Christian prayer, you must then allow Islamic prayer, Shaman prayer, Wiccan prayer, etc. You can not force your faith on others. Would you be opposed to your child being led in a prayer to the Sun god?

[Conservative Me]

Also, I am sure there are the usual FR Christians who enjoy attacking Atheists.

BTW, the ones who attack are actually the minority. Using them to form your view of Atheists would be like me using cultish Christians to form my opinion of all Christians.

[f.Christian]

I don't think people know the difference between ...

brainwashing (( subconsciousness )) ...

and ...

indoctrination (( consciousness )) .

It worries -- rattles them ...

mental housekeeping // inventory (( closets )) ---

what they will -- won't find !

[Dataman]

If you want to allow Christian prayer, you must then allow Islamic prayer, Shaman prayer, Wiccan prayer, etc. You can not force your faith on others. Would you be opposed to your child being led in a prayer to the Sun god?

Nice try, but allowing prayer to the One True God is not forcing faith on anyone. It is allowing prayer. Homage to pagan gods is done regularly in public schools:

Earth Day;
The god of naturalism;
the god of safe sex;
the god of secularism;
the god of hedonism.

[Conservative Me]

"but allowing prayer to the One True God"

See, you just proved my point. Intolerance to those of different faiths is the whole purpose of the separation clause.

You do know that children are free to pray in school as long as they are not forcing others to pray with them, disrupting class, or being led by school administration, right?

Please give examples of children paying homage to pagan gods.

[gulfcoast6]

The democracts make me sick. Leave it up to them and they would have us older folks report to a killing station when we reached 65 to save on SS payouts (except for the elected democractic officials of course).

[Dataman]

See, you just proved my point. Intolerance to those of different faiths is the whole purpose of the separation clause.

If believing that Christianity is true and atheism is true at the same time means I am intolerant, then I am intolerant.

If tolerance means tossing your brain in the trash bin, then I am intolerant.

If tolerance means disregarding the law of non-contradiction, then I am intolerant.

After all, you are born, you live, you die. What happens after that depends on what you did when you lived. I don't think a self-imposed lobotomy is good preparation for the afterlife. Oh! You don't believe in an afterlife! That's part of the self-imposed lobotomy. There is proof of God. Where is your proof? There is evidence of an afterlife. Where is your evidence?

Atheism is a convenient excuse to live as you wish, but it is only self-deception and cannot -- in the most absolute sense -- be known. Agnosticism is the furthest one can get from God Himself and even it is based on a false assumption.