Posted on 04/24/2003 1:45:26 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy
I don't have to "make" Hitler into anything.
Of course you do, guy. You're running out of amunition against the gay agenda and what better way to demonize your enemy as a last gasp than to Hitlerize them?
Why do you comment on this topic, if you know so little about it?
Because devotees of shlock "scholars" amuse me. ;)
I can't help it if some of them were were homosexuals.
"Homosexuality.
The great difficulty is that this form of identification early in life carries the individual in the direction of passive homosexuality. Hitler has for years been suspected of being a homosexual, although there is no reliable evidence that he has actually engaged in a relationship of this kind. Rauschning reports that he has met two boys who claimed that they were Hitler's homosexual partners, but their testimony can scarcely be taken at its face value. More condemning would be the remarks dropped by Foerster, the Danzig Gauleiter, in conversations with Rauschning. Even here, however, the remarks deal only with Hitler's impotence as far as heterosexual relations go without actually implying that he indulges in homosexuality. It is probably true that Hitler calls Foerster "Bubi", which is a common nickname employed by homosexuals in addressing their partners. This alone, however, is not adequate proof that he has actually indulged in homosexual practices with Foerster, who is known to be a homosexual. "
Real conclusive! Oh, that's from page 194. But you probly knew that anyway, since this is where ur "Bubi" reference comes from.
Damn. And it was all making sense, wasnt it.
You also can't help yourself from believing Lively's revisionist agitprop, can you. Because, hey, it makes sense that the Nazis and Hitler were homos, right?
Didn't read that "deadly serious" OSS profile too closely, didja.
Homosexual Holocaust Victims? NO!
In 1996, a 'Living Memorial to the Holocaust', sponsored by the Museum of Jewish Heritage, was under construction in New York City at Battery Park, opposite Ellis Island. Jewish historian Dr. Howard Hurwitrz reports, "The… intention of the sponsors is to include homosexuals along with Jews as 'victims' of Hitler. A precedent for such inclusion is in the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.
"Militant homosexuals, abetted by mistaken liberal Jews, have perpetrated this distortion of history, " asserts Dr. Hurwitz.
"The fact is," he writes, "that the Nazi Party was founded by homosexuals. This is documented beyond dispute by historians whose works have been published since the end of WW II, most recently by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams in The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality In The Nazi Party.
"Hitler is listed as a homosexual in Viennese police files, according to the historian Desmond Seward in his Napoleon and Hitler. There is little doubt that he was a sexual pervert.
"Beyond any challenge is the fact that Hitler's closest friend, Ernst Roehm, was a notorious homosexual. Hitler and Roehm were founders of the Nazi Party in the early 1920s.
"The fiction that the Nazis were anti-homosexual stems from the murder of Roehm, on orders from Hitler, on June 30, 1934, the 'Night of the Long Knives'. Roehm, along with thousands of his homosexual followers, was murdered — not because he was a homosexual, but because Hitler had reason to believe that Roehm threatened to seize leadership of the Party.
"Roehm was in position to do so because his brown shirts, some three million, outnumbered the German army. Roehm had been turned down by Hitler when he demanded control of the German Army. For their part, the Army generals demaned of Hitler, who was already the Chancellor, that Roehm be eliminated. Their demand was affirmed by German industrialists who threatened to cut off funding of the Nazi Party.
"Thereupon, Hitler decided to end both his friendship and the life of Roehm.
"In the ensuing years, Hitler sought to strengthen his popular support by proclaiming his opposition to homosexuals. Under German law, homosexuality was a felony. The German people held homosexuals in disdain. Coming out against them was thus made easier for Hitler, who arrested and imprisoned individual homosexuals accused of crimes. Among these homosexuals were those who murdered Nazis and left notes on their corpses that the killing was in revenge for the murder of Roehm and his homosexual followers.
"But at no time were homosexuals rounded up as were Jews and transported to concentration camps for extinction. They were not gassed. Many serviced homosexual guards during their incarceration.
"It is especially significant to note that some prominent homosexuals were retained by Hitler in leadership positions in the Third Reich right up to its final days in 1945.
"Homosexuals seek inclusion in the New York Holocaust Museum because it would go far toward gaining acceptance (not mere toleration) for their sexual behavior.
"Militant homosexuals in their political agenda - set forth in the (so-called) gay, lesbian and bisexual March on Washington, 1993 - demand legalization of same-sex marriage, and the right of 'gay' women and men to teach schoolchildren that homosexuality is normal and an alternative to homosexuality, etc.
"Since some prominent liberals are cosponsors of the New York Holocaust Museum, it will take considerable effort to dissuade trustees of the Museum of Jewish Heritage to deny homosexuals' false claim to be 'victims' of Nazi genocide along with Jews and others.
"To bring this about, the Family Defense Council (along with other interested parties), has formed a Committee for Holocaust Truth."
Fittingly, the campaign to restore truth in the Holocaust Museum began on April 16, Holocaust Day. Dr. Hurwitz is chairman of the International Committee for Holocaust Truth, as well as head of the Family Defense Council, Inc.
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By 1934 Adolf Hitler appeared to have complete control over Germany, but like most dictators, he constantly feared that he might be ousted by others who wanted his power. To protect himself from a possible coup, Hitler used the tactic of divide and rule and encouraged other leaders such as Hermann Goering, Joseph Goebbels, Heinrich Himmler and Ernst Roehm to compete with each other for senior positions.
One of the consequences of this policy was that these men developed a dislike for each other. Roehm was particularly hated because as leader of the Sturm Abteilung (SA) he had tremendous power and had the potential to remove any one of his competitors. Goering and Himmler asked Reinhard Heydrich to assemble a dossier on Roehm. Heydrich, who also feared him, manufactured evidence that suggested that Roehm had been paid 12 million marks by the French to overthrow Hitler.
Hitler liked Ernst Roehm and initially refused to believe the dossier provided by Heydrich. Roehm had been one of his first supporters and, without his ability to obtain army funds in the early days of the movement, it is unlikely that the Nazis would have ever become established. The SA under Roehm's leadership had also played a vital role in destroying the opposition during the elections of 1932 and 1933.
However, Adolf Hitler had his own reasons for wanting Roehm removed. Powerful supporters of Hitler had been complaining about Roehm for some time. Generals were afraid that the Sturm Abteilung (SA), a force of over 3 million men, would absorb the much smaller German Army into its ranks and Roehm would become its overall leader.
Industrialists such as Albert Voegler, Gustav Krupp, Alfried Krupp, Fritz Thyssen and Emile Kirdorf, who had provided the funds for the Nazi victory, were unhappy with Roehm's socialistic views on the economy and his claims that the real revolution had still to take place. Many people in the party also disapproved of the fact that Roehm and many other leaders of the SA were homosexuals.
Adolf Hitler was also aware that Roehm and the SA had the power to remove him. Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler played on this fear by constantly feeding him with new information on Roehm's proposed coup. Their masterstroke was to claim that Gregor Strasser, whom Hitler hated, was part of the planned conspiracy against him. With this news Hitler ordered all the SA leaders to attend a meeting in the Hanselbauer Hotel in Wiesse.
Meanwhile Goering and Himmler were drawing up a list of people outside the SA that they wanted killed. The list included Strasser, Kurt von Schleicher, Hitler's predecessor as chancellor, and Gustav von Kahr, who crushed the Beer Hall Putsch in 1923.
On 29th June, 1934. Hitler, accompanied by the Schutzstaffel (SS), arrived at Wiesse, where he personally arrested Ernst Roehm. During the next 24 hours 200 other senior SA officers were arrested on the way to Wiesse. Many were shot as soon as they were captured but Hitler decided to pardon Roehm because of his past services to the movement. However, after much pressure from Hermann Goering and Heinrich Himmler, Hitler agreed that Roehm should die. At first Hitler insisted that Roehm should be allowed to commit suicide but, when he refused, Roehm was shot by two SS men.
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`Other historians like Shirer (The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich) and Mello (History of the SS, 1923-1945), document the pivotal role Nazi homosexuals played in the rise of Hitler and the defeat of the old conservative, Prussian military. The German army, under the Versailles Treaty, could have no more than 100,000 men. Hitler's "notorious" homosexual comrade Ernst Roehm, however, formed, selected and trained the Storm Troopers (aka "Brown Shirts") a para-military goon force that spawned the SS, and which grew to at least 2.5 to 4.5 million.
`Some historians have noted a disturbing undercurrent in SS special forces "training" -- especially reports that the recruits were required to soap each other's bodies during showers, ostensibly to establish mutual dependency. On this note, Shirer wrote that "[p]imps, murderers, homosexuals... [men of] unnatural sexual inclinations" flocked to Hitler. Homosexuals ran the Infantry School and the Storm Troopers. The latter became such a powerful force in the Nazi movement that Hitler's closest advisors began to argue that Roehm and his homosexual cadre would prove a formidable counterforce.
`Thus, in June of 1934, Hitler reluctantly dispatched a crew to arrest Roehm and his closest conspirators in their lavish quarters -- where they also found a bounty of homosexual paraphernalia and "two naked boys." `Kaximierz Moczarski, a Polish resistance fighter, confirmed that after the purge and Roehm's execution (delayed because of Hitler's affection for him), homosexuals "remained party members... got promotions... were protected by the top [Nazi] brass" and served on the battlefield and in prisons. Evidence exists that some male concentration camp inmates were forced to "entertain their guards with humiliating acts" while survivors like Elie Wiesel testified in Night, "The officer[s] took an interest in... [boys] ten and twelve years old... there was considerable traffic in children among homosexuals here."
`The historical data do not sustain claims of homosexual martyrdom. On the contrary, in June 1935, two years after Hitler's victory, "Unnatural" was purged from the German Criminal Code description of homosexuality. Katz reports that without Himmler's express permission -- even if repeatedly apprehended having sex -- homosexual actors and artists were not to be incarcerated.
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The Nazi Party was founded in Munich in the Bratwurstgloeckl, which just happened to be what today is known as a "gay bar." This was no coincidence because the Party was largely homosexual. Many of its rituals and symbols came from sodomite organizations and individuals, among them the "Sieg Heil" salute, the double lightning bolt "SS" symbol, and the inverted triangle to identify classes of prisoners in the concentration camps.
Indeed, in the perverted atmosphere in the Weimar Republic after the German surrender in World War I, cities like Berlin and Munich were known around the world as capitals where sodomites flocked. In The Arms of Krupp (Boston, Little, Brown, 1968), William Manchester wrote that "sodomy was delicately known as 'the German vice'." (P. 232) In Germany's National Vice (London, Quality Press, 1945), Samuel Igra said this: "In Germany these unnatural vices became a veritable cult among the ruling classes. . .."
Almost all Hitler's Nazi leaders were sodomites, no doubt because Der Führer preferred sodomite companions and co-workers. His closest friends were Ernst Roehm and Rudolf Hess, both homosexuals. Among homosexual Nazi leaders were Baldur von Schirach; Hitler's personal lawyer, Hans Frank; his adjutant Wilhelm Bruckner; his financial adviser Walther Funk, et cetera and so on. And on. Hitler's second-in-command, Hermann Goering, chief of the Luftwaffe, liked to dress up in drag and wear campy makeup.
Remember Julius Streicher, the notorious Jew-baiter? He was fired as a schoolteacher following many charges that he was molesting boys. Streicher later became a pornographer. Hitler's chauffeur and personal secretary, Emile Maurice was a sodomite. Reinhard Heydrich, a monster known as the "blond beast," who vowed to exterminate the Jews, became one of Hitler's closest associates, and was another sodomite. Again, homosexuality in the top echelons of the Nazi Party was the rule, not the exception, because that was what Der Führer wanted.
Josef Goebbels was another of Hitler's closest confidants. Goebbels was in complete charge of Nazi propaganda. In 1936, Goebbels threw a party. According to Richard Grunberger, in The 12-Year Reich (New York, Ballantine, 1971), the party featured "torch-bearing page boys in tight fitting white breeches, white satin blouses with lace cuffs and powdered rococo wigs." (P. 70) The Nazi sodomites their friend Goebbels had invited "were so affected by the rococo setting that they hurled themselves upon the bewigged page boys and pulled them into the bushes. Tables collapsed, torches were dimmed, and in the ensuing fracas a number of Party old fighters and their comely victims had to be rescued from drowning." All this reluctantly reminds your reporter of last week's discussion of the horror that is happening in some Roman Catholic seminaries today.
In recent years, the international sodomite conspiracy has floated the perversion that the Nazis disliked homosexuality. They point to Hitler's extermination of Ernst Roehm and some other sodomites. There is a new movie that shows sodomites in a concentration camp, lamenting their fate. This sodomite whitewash campaign is nothing but rancid sauerkraut.
Were there some sodomites in the concentration camps? Yes, there were. Remember that there are two main kinds of homosexuals. There are the sissies who imitate women. Their mincing footsteps and falsetto voices are easy to spot. Some observers derisively call them "flaming faggots." Remember that the Roman Catholic seminary in New Orleans is known colloquially today as "Notre Flame." They participate in anonymous sex through holes in the wall in "gay" bathhouses and they die. Then there are the sodomites colloquially known as "butch," who flaunt their "masculinity." They too are easy to spot. In "Gay Pride" fiascos they wear leather and military or motorcycle attire. They strut and stomp and bluster. They behave like, well, like Nazis.
In Nazi Germany, there was intense hostility between the "femmes" (the sissies) and the "butch" sodomites. The "butches" believed the "femmes" were "unmanly," that they were an embarrassment to the Teutonic warrior cult the butches were creating. Butch won the struggle, with the result that some femmes were killed and a few were sent to concentration camps. From time to time, early in Hitler's Socialist experiment, complaint among normal Germans about sodomites at the top became so intense that the Nazis pretended to do something about it. All such attempts were part of a charade. Let's take a look.
For instance, confronted with outrage over Roehm's flagrant sodomite brawls, Hitler responded, "His private life cannot be an object of scrutiny unless it conflicts with basic principles of National Socialist ideology." (Hans Bleuel, Sex and Society in Nazi Germany, New York, Lippincott, 1973, p. 98) Remember, this is Hitler talking, not Bill Clinton. Also, remember that Adolf was a Socialist. We realize that this embarrasses you "liberals," but that is what the man said. In his defense of Roehm, Hitler also explained that the S.A., the Nazi group Roehm ran, "is not an institute for the moral education of genteel, young ladies, but a formation of seasoned fighters." Indeed, Hitler threatened to expel from the Party those who kept "tongue-wagging" and "letter-writing" about Roehm and his sodomites.
But the situation got so bad Hitler had to do something about Roehm. The industrialists who financed Hitler threatened to withdraw their support otherwise. So, Hitler elected to double-cross his old friend. Yes, on the infamous Night of Long Knives Roehm and other S.A. sodomites were killed. But attorney Scott Lively makes clear not only that most of the sodomites in S.A. were spared, but also that other sodomites conducted the purge, among them, in Munich, Wagner, Esser, Maurice, Weber and Buch. Reinhard Heydrich ran the national campaign of assassinations. As we have seen, the "blond beast" was a notorious sodomite. In the concentration camps to which some of the surviving "femmes" were sent, the guards were themselves sodomites.
So, Hitler did not purge his regime of homosexuals on the Night of Long Knives or at any other time. He continued to surround himself with sodomites. Indeed, he kept appointing them to top positions in the Third Reich. Some S.A. survivors probably participated in the 1936 sodomite orgy run by Dr. Goebbels. After the Night, Hitler's inner circle remained intact, including Goering, Streicher, Frank, Emile, Schaub, Wagner, Brueckner and Weber. Hess was there until his bizarre mission to England.
So, again, any idea that Hitler opposed homosexuality is preposterous. The murder of Roehm and his cohorts was a mere tactic Hitler's financiers and normal Germans forced him to take. From beginning to end, the Nazi Party was homosexual. In fact, it is not an exaggeration to say that Nazism is just one version of homosexuality.
Lanz’s Ostara was a focal point of racist and occult figures in Germany. In Ostara,Lanz proposed that “unsatisfactory” racial types be eliminated by abortion, sterilization, starvation, forced labor and other means. He also recommended Aryan breeding farms where a master race, destined to control the world, could be hatched (Cavendish:1983). Heinrich Himmler would later create such a breeding program (called Lebensborn) during the Third Reich. The close similarity of Lanz’s prescription for the elimination of “inferiors” to the views of Benedict Friedlander suggests the possibility of a relationship between The ONT (Order of the New Temple) and the Community of the Elite. One link was Harald Gravelle, a homosexual member of the Guido von List Society who wrote for both Ostara and Der Eigene (Steakley:67n.34). Gravelle was “the principle theosophist of Lanz’s acquaintance, with the exception of Guido List” (Goodrick-Clarke:100).
Although not directly connected to the ONT, the astrologist, Dr. Karl Gunther Heimsoth was another link between the Community of the Elite and the occultists. Heimsoth, a homosexual friend of Ernst Roehm, was an early Nazi. He wrote a book titled Charakter Konstellation, which was devoted entirely to the horoscopes of homosexuals (Rector:81); he was also a contributor to Der Eigene. Heimsoth is remembered for coining the term “homophile” (Oosterhuis and Kennedy:188), which remains a common American synonym for homosexual.
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