Posted on 04/22/2003 10:40:02 AM PDT by sheltonmac
What they work for they deserve and what I work for I deserve. When you end up giving your hard earned money back to the people that gave it to you .
Something missing here, You do get goods and services for money you spend do you not?
you end up working for less and will never get ahead let alone stay even.
So put more aside for which you can receive a return by putting the money to work, instead of spending as much. That way you tend to be more efficient at earning more thus tend to build wealth instead of just consume it. Price pressures on goods trend lower when more people save and invest more rather than spend.
Just look at what they do to your overtime pay , if you are lucky enough to get overtime pay.
You work more hours , maybe to get something for your children or maybe a vacation , and they take your money at a higher rate.
When it costs more to produce the same good and services. Price has to go up. If you produced one and a half times the product for the time and a half overtime pay, the price of goods could remain constant. If you produced more efficiently than that the price of goods could go down for the savings generated.
Sounds like robbery to me ,
Who precisely is looking to do the robbing, is what I wonder.
You demand to be paid at a higher rate per hour worked at equal or less output (for being tired), causing greater costs per unit goods and services. Some customer out there has to pay that time and a half wage because the price of the product you helped produce must go up to cover your overtime wage.
The other guy needs more money in order to be able to buy the products you create at premium wages. That means he has to work overtime or demand a higher wage to buy those products. That means the products he helps produce that you buy must also increase.
Yet do not expect to pay more when you go to the store to buy those products.
What makes you special?
not representation or equal treatment under the law.
Who precisely is not being represented?
Who precisely is not receiving equal treatment under the law?
Freedom is a personal choice , if you are willing to accept slavery , they are willing to put the chains on you and profit from it................
Seems to me you are the one wanting the overtime, to work when you are less efficient. You are creating your own chains and making sure everyone else has to follow suit just to keep even with the consequences of your expectations of more for less.
You stated in the beginning:
I'm not going to try and argue numbers with you , I don't know them.
I suggest you start learning, you are putting yourself in chains for the lack of desire to learn.
I started speaking in the beginning about the millions of American citizens who live week to week because of low wages and the millions of new niggers that are brought into this country to work for poverty wages and take us down with them.
When I'm talking about businesses , I'm not talking about mom and pop grocery stores who can't afford to pay their help anymore than they do. I'm talking about the businesses that make millions / billions of dollars each year in profits and want to pay American's low wages to increase their profit.
The corporations that relocated in other countries with our tax money in order to get slave labor and still sell tennis shoes here in America for $150.00. Your example of labor being the problem doesn't wash here. It's simple greed , but then people aren't in business to make friends.
Back to overtime , the corporations I'm talking about have mandatory overtime for their workers. Granted the workers who work for these corporations know the hours they will be expected to work , but that overtime is expected by the corporation knowing that production will cost a little more , not employees who want more money while they are less efficient.
Again the picture you are trying to paint doesn't work in my example , one that corporations expect not one that employees use to get more money from their employers.
. But when I do the government isn't doing anymore work but yet it takes taxes out of my wages at a higher rate , something you are trying to make sound okay.
Wrong, you have making a diatribe about how business is a bad guy raising prices on you arbitrarily and not paying you enough. I have been merely pointing out that inflation of product prices have several sources, involving government, and of the individuals seeking more than their productivity warrants.
The primary problem being government inducing inflation through increasing national debt, and high taxation due to to many government programs.
If you want lower prices or high wages, then go after government which is the biggest source of the problem.
I started speaking in the beginning about the millions of American citizens who live week to week because of low wages and the millions of new niggers that are brought into this country to work for poverty wages and take us down with them.
I would suggest you drop the racial tone of your responses, if you expect to continue here on FR.
Every legal resident of this nation has a right to employment at whatever wage they are able to bargain their skills for. That's called competition, get used to it.
When I'm talking about businesses , I'm not talking about mom and pop grocery stores who can't afford to pay their help anymore than they do. I'm talking about the businesses that make millions / billions of dollars each year in profits
Just what makes you believe a corporation or large business dosen't pay more for their help than mom & pop stores? Strange, I have always found pay to be better at large businesses as opposed to small ones myself.
The profit of a business goes to the owners/investors (generally stock, insurance, retirement funds paying out to individual americans and individual owners) of that business , and/or towards maintenance and expansion of the business. Either way those business profits ulstimately get back in the hands of American citizens and amount to less percentagewise than the average markup of a mom & pop business, the profits of which go to mom & pop.
and want to pay American's low wages to increase their profit.
If you had stated, stay in business, you would have been more accurate and credible. Most companies consider it good to just maintain a small net pecentage, much less increase their percentage profit. No company can afford to lose skilled workers to other companies for offering low wages and benefits, they lose profits that way through lower productivity.
The corporations that relocated in other countries with our tax money in order to get slave labor and still sell tennis shoes here in America for $150.00.
You buy tennis shoes for $150? You object to the price or figure some company is getting to much profit, quit buying the product or go somewhere else. $10-20 tennis shoes work just fine and are readily available.
Your example of labor being the problem doesn't wash here.
A strawman and hypothetical to boot. You want to be paid more just so you can buy fads and fashion, what do you offer that makes you worth more? Buy the $20 tennis shoe, invest $130 in corporate bond funds or dividend paying stocks, and get paid for the use of your money the rest of your life instead. When you save up enough out of your returns (bout ten years), then go buy the $150 fashion treads.
Back to overtime , the corporations I'm talking about have mandatory overtime for their workers. Granted the workers who work for these corporations know the hours they will be expected to work , but that overtime is expected by the corporation knowing that production will cost a little more , not employees who want more money while they are less efficient.
You do get paid time and a half for overtime do you not? Only salaried persons and business owners do not get such. Salaried workers are compensated with higher fixed pay. The business owners have to be content with whatever is left over after paying demands of labor, suppliers, government, facility maintenance, investment towards business growth ... .
You object to the overtime, then go to work for another company that maintains a workforce sufficient to supply its work load. (I don't suggest going salaried or start your own business, you would never survive it with your attitudes.)
We have gone a long way from this to states where we need to work months just to be able to pay taxes.
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