Ford's Thunderbird Gets Axed

Forbes ^ | April 22, 2003 | Jerry Flint

[AnAmericanMother]

I wish my dealer WERE selling Studebakers . . . what a great car! Simple, straightforward, easy to work on, durable - what could be better? I used to hold the toolbox for my dad when he worked on his in the driveway.

The two-forward-speed tranny in the Lark is awful, though. Still, once you get it wound up it'll go . . . and then you have to worry about stopping it with the single shoe drum brakes. Plan about a block ahead . . . :-D I understand somebody's making disc brake conversion kits for it, and if I drive it any distance I'll have to see about getting one . . . at present it's just an around-the-neighborhood fun car.

[Charles Martel]

The loss of the T-bird line won't be a complete failure. The new '05 Mustang will be based upon the T-Bird frame and components. The current stang is still utilizing the 1978 Fairlane/Zephyer frame.

Ford's next Mustang will indeed be built on a variant of the current Thunderbird's chassis, which itself is derived from the Lincoln LS and retro-cued Jaguar S-Type "sister cars". It'll be about 200 lbs. heavier, too, but the new chassis will be much stiffer. I hope they maintain the Mach 1 model through the 2005 changeover.

[El Gato]

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[Charles Martel]

then you have to worry about stopping it with the single shoe drum brakes. Plan about a block ahead . . . :-D I understand somebody's making disc brake conversion kits for it, and if I drive it any distance I'll have to see about getting one

Hmmm... Maserati fuel injection - and puny drum brakes. Yep, it might be a good idea to upgrade that Stude. Check with TurnerBrake.com, they have reasonable prices and the kits use commonly found brake components from GM and/or Ford. You'll have to put different wheels on it, though - the old wheels won't clear the brake calipers.

While the brake lines are disconnected, go ahead and put a dual-reservoir master brake cylinder on the car, too - those old "fruit jar" master cylinders are scary. One little leak in any brake line and *all* of the hydraulic pressure goes away.

I like to see a restored classic car, but I think that I enjoy "restomods" even more. You can hide an amazing amount of modern hardware in that Lark, such as a Borg-Warner T-5 transmission. An overdrive cruising gear would sure be nice, and if you nose around the Studebaker tech articles on the web, you'll find one that describes the swap in great detail.

[Richard Kimball]

You really ought to try one of the new Beetles. If you can spend 23K, the convertibles are great. I would have loved one, but didn't want to spend the $ for it. The new bugs have all the cool stuff from the old bugs, and they got rid of most of the problems (for example, you no longer get carbon monoxide poisoning when you turn on the heater)

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

BTW didn't they already make a futura. It was a boxy monstrosity.

The Lincoln Futura was the car used to create the batmobile.

The ford futura was, I believe, a variant sub-model of the Falcon, the Falcon Futura.

[Poohbah]

I wish they'd quit teasing us with "concept cars" that look too cool to be believed and never get built.

[Hildy]

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[j_tull]

BTW didn't they already make a futura. It was a boxy monstrosity.

If memory serves, Futura was a trim level name on the early '60's Falcon.

[watermen]

Too late, Saab's are now chevys, have been for awhile and look like them also.
You guys should be driving trucks and suv's anyway.

[Eric in the Ozarks]

It was a sad day in South Bend when Studebaker closed. Someone said the Avanti is still being built somewhere, probably with a Chevy engine.
A neighbor had a 62 or 63 Golden Hawk when I was a youngster. I thought this was the coolest car I'd ever seen. The seats were low and the windshield kind of a narrow rectangle. The roofline dropped well down in the back so that it was a bit claustrophobic inside. But boy, was it snazzy !

[oldcomputerguy]

The wars been over for 28 years, it is time to get on with your life.

[j_tull]

It would have been easier to use a '59 (Batwing) Chevy!

[cmsgop]

You are correct, The new VW line is outstanding. All of that Audi tech and trim for about 10k less.

[kellynla]

For the GI's who were never accounted for and their families, the war has never ended. Maybe you should stick to computers or whatever you do instead of trying to give others advice.

[dalereed]

"The problem quickly became trying to keep the T-bird Y-block V8 engine together."

The biggest problem with the 312 was breaking the crank in the center main. I worked on Johnnie Parsons 56 Stock car for the Ford Factory, we won the NASCAR national championship but it wasn't easy.

In 1954 I was running a 32 "D" roadster with a flathead and held the record but at Bonneville Voight and Colb showed up with a De Soto, straight out of a car in their 32, made 2 runs for an average of 176 and blew our 157 record all to pieces. Quit and sold the roadster!

[Eric in the Ozarks]

They are kind of rare. There was a 63 1/2 (slant roof) Falcon Futura Sprint sold with a 260 V-8 and 4 speed transmission. Basically it was a Mustang with a Falcon body.

[oldcomputerguy]

Maybe you should stick to computers or whatever you do instead of trying to give others advice.

Hey its a free country remember?

There were a lot more people who had no resolution in WWII and other wars. Sometimes that is the best that can be done. Living in the past is not healthy for anyone. Acceptance is part of life, not forgetting, but moving on.

[AnAmericanMother]

Wow! Thanks for the advice! (if you need help on any topic under the sun, just check on FR).

I think dad may have already put a new master in, I'll have to go under the hood and look. I checked the website, and Turner recommends replacing the master at the same time you do the disc brake conversion. Relying on that emergency brake cable to grind to a halt is a slim reed!

It's definitely not concours and I'm not into that (my late father in law was, but he was a pre-1939 man and that is WAY out of my league!) and dad has made all sorts of odd modifications to the car along the way. Some - the aerobatic harness and the caution placard on the glove box "CAUTION - Do Not Open Windows At Speeds in Excess of 120 MPH" - I kinda like, others (the black plastic replacement rear view mirrors) I definitely do NOT. I think I'm going to try to take it back to original cosmetically (except for the placard!), but with the running gear, as far as I'm concerned, anything goes. (I'm not doing a thing to the engine, though, I've never heard one purr like this one. My only complaint is that the radiator is too small, and there's NO ROOM - you couldn't fit a dime in the engine compartment.)

What was the T-5 tranny originally built for? I had OD on my TR-6 and (other than the fact that nothing that Lucas had a hand in really works right) it was nice.