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GOP Courting Homosexual Vote -- A 'Recipe for Disaster'
AgapePress ^ | April 21, 2003 | Bill Fancher and Jody Brown

Posted on 04/21/2003 4:32:34 PM PDT by Polycarp

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To: Munson
Id like to see a Pat Buchannon fiscal left-social right party and a social left-fiscal right party.

You're going to get your wish fairly soon. Although it will be social/economic-libertarian vs. traditionalist-centrist.

101 posted on 04/22/2003 8:11:54 AM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Tolerance is a necessary evil.)
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To: Desdemona
"They have a tendency to be flakes"

Being flakey is in the eye of the beholder. :)

102 posted on 04/22/2003 8:18:02 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Polycarp
"Women think its nice that "two men who love each other are allowed to hug and kiss and have warm fuzzy feelings without being discriminated against."

And there are men out there that get off on two women going at it, and think that it's perfectly okay.

103 posted on 04/22/2003 8:22:32 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Qwerty
"Who else will the Christian conservatives vote for? Hillary? All they need to do is lose a few elections and the CC's will come back."

Or they might start the first truly viable third party.

104 posted on 04/22/2003 8:38:31 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: supercat
Tag, you're it! I was hoping for an answer to my question.
105 posted on 04/22/2003 4:50:43 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
What is a "fully-consenting" adult? What can they "consent" to? What role does or should the State have in defining the family and defending it?

A fully-consenting adult is an adult who is legally capable of giving consent (e.g. not adjudicated incompetant, etc.), and who does so absent any form of unlawful coersion.

As for the state defining or defending the family, I prefer to have the state stay out of that business as much as possible. Society's institutions (families, churches, the Boy Scouts of America, etc.) don't need much help from government to protect themselves; the biggest threat to them is that a government which protects them must thereby gain power over them, and a government which has power over them can use that power to destroy them.

106 posted on 04/22/2003 5:34:17 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
So "consenting adults" (what age is an adult and who gets to set that age?) ought to be able to engage in prostitution? Bestiality? Polygamy? Have I misread you? Are you saying government ought not define marriage or license it?
107 posted on 04/22/2003 5:41:49 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
So "consenting adults" (what age is an adult and who gets to set that age?) ought to be able to engage in prostitution? Bestiality? Polygamy? Have I misread you? Are you saying government ought not define marriage or license it?

Prostitution is legal in Nevada, and probably causes no more problems there than in places where it is not [there are many problems which are reduced by its being legal and regulated; as to what extent they're counter-balanced by others, I don't know but it's probably a wash].

States should have no less authority to restrict bestiality as any other forms of animal torture.

As for polygamy, I see nothing that would compel the state to recognize such an arrangement, but I see no legal basis for state action against a married man who also has a mistress with the knowledge and consent of his wife [though if such consent evaporates the man could be in deep trouble]. Note that charges of bigamy almost always involve the use of fraud upon some or all participants, and such fraud should be actionable in and of itself.

As for the issue of government recognizing marriage, there is a strong tradition of it doing so, and having the government officially recognize it does help alleviate some of the problems that could arise if one person claims to be married to another but that other person disagrees.

Besides--nearly all of the reasons the government would care if people are married are a stem from the government getting involved with things that it really shouldn't.

108 posted on 04/22/2003 5:52:31 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
So essentailly you think prostitution is OK, that adultery is OK (isn't that intrinsically against the marraige contract?) and that the State is meddling when it gets involved.

You avoided my questions regarding the age of consent. What age is that?
109 posted on 04/22/2003 6:21:19 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
So essentailly you think prostitution is OK, that adultery is OK (isn't that intrinsically against the marraige contract?) and that the State is meddling when it gets involved.

Adultery is indeed a violation of the marriage contract; as with any other contract violation, it is up to the aggrieved party to seek redress.

As for prostitution, it has always, and will always, exist. That doesn't mean I think it's "okay". The question should not be what can be done to stop prostitution--hasn't been done in thousands of years and can't be done in another thousand--but rather to minimize the harm caused. In places where prostitution is illegal, prostitutes are frequent victims of all sorts of crimes; in rural Nevada, however, anyone who tries to commit a crime against a prostitute will have to answer to the state if she presses charges (as she likely would).

You avoided my questions regarding the age of consent. What age is that?

Eighteen for everything else, is it not?

110 posted on 04/22/2003 6:36:34 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: supercat
"Eighteen for everything else, is it not?"

No, in some states it can be as young as 14 for many things, including "emancipation". In Europe in is generally 16, often 14 and the radical queers are pushing for 12.

Given that, would you allow the state to restrict prostitution for those under 21? 18? 16? 14? Why ought we listen to you alone rather than 2,000+ years of western civilization and the facts that argue for regulation of sexual acts, even between "consenting adults"?
111 posted on 04/22/2003 6:40:34 PM PDT by narses (Christe Eleison)
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To: narses
Given that, would you allow the state to restrict prostitution for those under 21? 18? 16? 14? Why ought we listen to you alone rather than 2,000+ years of western civilization and the facts that argue for regulation of sexual acts, even between "consenting adults"?

I don't know what the age minimum is in Nevada; I'd guess 21, but it might be 18.

And in 2,000 years of civilization, prostitution has hardly gone away. To be sure, states have the authority to place restrictions on it (under the general constitutional powers to regulate all forms of business) and states could reasonably use such powers to make it for all practical purposes illegal; doing so, however, hardly makes it go away.

112 posted on 04/22/2003 6:56:26 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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