Offshore outsourcing grows

The Atlanta Business Chronicle ^ | April 18, 2003 print edition | Anya Martin

[Feldkurat_Katz]

I've got to tell you, you may be the first for freedom, but it's hard to find a more harsh defamation of an idea than this:

Allowing foreign workers in via L1 and H1 is meddling with the "free" market to begin with.

Could you just tell me in one sentence: why do you have to have an opinion about things you have never examined?

When did you stop beating your wife?

[MonroeDNA]

"The topic really isn't about producing here. It's really about white collar jobs. "

Don't you mean it is about class warfare?

[MonroeDNA]

"If you think you can't be outsourced, think again. "

If I get outsourced, so be it. Americans believe in ingenuity, and I will think of something. That's what America is all about.

If you want a guaranteed job, move to Cuba. Just don't ever complain, because you can't there.

[TopQuark]

When I asked him what his value was to the company since he, himself, didn't do anything except build empires I got quite the nasty look.

When you ask a loaded question, what else do you expect in return?

Had you asked with an open mind, you might have learned that what he probably meant was day-to-day, minute decisions. It is indeed an achievement if a general manager can organize that properly. Because his job is keep an eye on the big picture and have a fresh outlook.

Sounds like you received what you asked for.

[MonroeDNA]

"Well, the pubbies are in control. They could do something right now. If they don't, then at least the dems can give it a shot. They tend to be more union and "employee" centered on such issues. "

Unions are Marxist. "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."

[TopQuark]

Analogy does not apply: the man calls red blue, that's all.

It is the citizenship that is a barrier to free markets in the first place. Relazation of that requirement is a move towards the freedom of the market, not away from it.

You criticized my remark for something I did not say.

[sharktrager]

Actually, I am very well versed in foreign trade.

Those Asian countries can not maintain that closed/highly regulated system indefinately, as was proven in Japan.

The problem here is that American managers tend to be much too focused on the immediate future, usually the next quarter. The same is tru of elected officials, who do not look beyond the next time they come up for reelection.

Ultimately the companies which succeed will do so because of innovation and eficiency. Keeping our system closed would ultimately eliminate the need to have either.

[MonroeDNA]

"I guess no one here cares if the high tech industry all moves overseas?"

We care if the creators of hi-tech move overseas. Not happening.

"To bad we don't produce anything here in the states ourselves anymore..."

What we don't care about is dumb labor. We believe that nobody deserves a job; you have to earn it.

[Feldkurat_Katz]

The point is that you engaged in insinuation by asking:

Could you just tell me in one sentence: why do you have to have an opinion about things you have never examined?

[MonroeDNA]

"Rather, what you are seeing is people waking up and smelling the coffee. "

No, what we are seeing here is an orchestrated movement of a few people here.

[MonroeDNA]

"Screw the working man. "

Workers of the world, unite! Lol, marxist.

[WRhine]

I am speechless. But not for long, plant.

Perhaps the workers should unite, Mr. Marx?

Where did I earn this slam? I should have kept on going with that story. The guy I was talking about also represented and campaigned for the MOST LIBERAL Republicans in our district. Fortunately my district was quite conservative (at least it was in the early 80s) and RINOs were routinely defeated in every primary. In fact this guy was a FORMER DEMOCRAT and probably feels very comfortable in TODAY'S Republican Party...perhaps like YOU DO.

[MonroeDNA]

"As far as conservative solutions go, allowing jobs to flow oversease is, IMO, a conservative disaster. "

No, it is a union, marxist nightmare.

[MonroeDNA]

Read your own quote.

[TopQuark]

This is not an insinuation: I claim that the statement is utterly false to the point of being preposterous. At some point, when you are in the hole, you should stop shoveling, but he does not.

[A. Pole]

Unions are Marxist. "From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need."

You are confused. Communists distrusted trade unions. And rightly so as they got undermined by Solidarity in Poland.

Workers have the same right to organise as the businessmen have. Free society cannot function with atomized and isolated individuals. Citizens have moral duty to organize in defense of their group interests and in promoting common good.

Latin American plutocracies are not a good example to emulate in United States.

[MonroeDNA]

"You know it is amazing to me people always say they prefer these cheap prices. So-called, because prices have not come down. Why if we once bought something a worker was earning 15 dollars an hour to make - now we are paying 1.00 an hour, is the product not 15 times cheaper? Hmmmmmmmm? Also, no one ever factors in the added costs to the consumer of paying more and more taxes because their countrymen are out of work. "

You forgot your last name, nanny. That would be, "state."

[Feldkurat_Katz]

No, you claim that he "never examined" - that would require clairvoyance on your part

[TopQuark]

Well, since you insist: if someone makes a statement that flatly contradicts the very basics of economics, which one can find in any textbook, then no clairvoyance is required to see that he never opened a textbook.

There, feeling better? You can have the last word: I am not interested in explicating this minutia.

Have a good night.

[MonroeDNA]

"You are confused. Communists distrusted trade unions."

I just got done reading "Reagan's War, by Schweizer. It documents how communists infiltrated the hollywood unions, and tried to take control of them, for propaganda purposes, funded by the Soviet Union.

Reagan fought it, just about singlehandedly, and won. It was his core philosophy: individual freedom always wins over some commitee deciding for you.

Marxists always go for control of the unions first.

BTW, the favorite slogan of communists is, "Workers of the world, unite!" If that is not union, nothing is.