Posted on 04/18/2003 3:25:56 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
Why wait? You have so many options available right now. For example, you could move to Berzerkely, or Sodom Francisco, or just about anywhere in Oregon, or Canada (the further east, the hotter the water), or England etc.
But you won't. You want to foul our nest by staying and squatting on your ungrateful heinie on it.
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I dunno, Kev. All those places hate guns, and have draconian gun laws...they sound like your kind of places.
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You're absolutely right. I've made no secret about Bush losing my support when he signed CFR. As we speak, there's a thread on FReep about Marc Racicot pandering (sucking up to?) to the queers, trying to convince them that the Pubbies are their best friends. Then there's the "Patriot" Act, growth of government, failure to fight for his conservative judicial nominees, and far too many other issues to go into, that have conservatives pi**ed off at the man they voted for in 2000. Kinda blows the lid off of the whole "single issue voter" thing, eh?
Signing an AWB extension isn't the only reason many of us will vote for a 3d Party candidate, or just spend election day at the range, but it's a big one. For many, it's the straw (or the 2x12) that broke the camel's back. We conservatives are screwed one way or the other...Coke/Pepsi, Pubbie/Rat, Commielib/Commielib Light. At least we'll have our principles to stand on.
I find myself asking the same question I asked about his father back in '92...does he want to lose the election?
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I hate to break it to you, newbie, but God did grant us the right to defend ourselves, and our freedom. The Constitution guarantees that right, and the right to the tools we need to ensure we can defend ourselves. I'll go easy on you, since you're a newbie, and simply say you need to think about what you've written before you click the "Post" button.
Oh...I see you're from Maryland...that explains a lot. You guys have never seen a firearm you liked.
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Great quote, Kevin...recognize it? It's from your profile page.
Right now is the time when we could win this fight relatively easily and without bloodshed. All we need is for you RINOs to join with us conservatives, and pressure Bush and the RINOs into understanding that we will not stand idly by while he/they legislate our Constitution away. Let them know that we expect them to fight for the rights of those who supported them, and put them in office. This can be done now, if you RINOs would only realize that we conservatives would like to be on the same team with you, but will not tolerate being taken for granted. This can be done now, or we could get to Churchill's point where bloodshed is inevitible, and where it's better to die than be a slave.
I'm sure you understood all this before you posted it on your profile page, right?
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Actually, that's yourself.
The only message the Bush Administration is sending 2A supporters is, "Screw you."
The only message Bush has gotten from many alleged conservatives was "screw you."
How the heck can you reconcile Ashcroft's lip-service to the 2A and Bush's vocal support for this ban?
1. This isn't Bush, it's a spokesman (spokesperson, person of spoke) who can be disowned in a heartbeat.
2. The purpose of this exercise is to lay down the Rules Of Engagement. Bush has said that if (big word there, pay attention) a bill renewing the assault weapons ban reaches his desk, he won't veto it.
Translation: he ain't going to cut his throat to appease people too damn lazy to help themselves BEFORE it gets to his desk, as they're likely to be too lazy to actually vote in November, anyway.
Do you really think that, after Bush's stated support, all the other spineless middle-seeking Republicans aren't going to support it as well?
Bush has a unique problem that Congress does not have. That problem is that Bush is a single person, as opposed to 535 people.
Congress is in a far better position to take heat from the DNC, because that heat would be spread out across many members of Congress instead of being focused on one and ONLY one person.
If you really think that the cause is now doomed, then you deserve to lose.
If he loses because of a furor over AWB, GOOD.
Well, if Bush loses over the AWB because he vetoed it, that's NOT good.
And if he loses because he doesn't veto it, it's still NOT good.
Sends a message to the Republican leadership.
Yeah. If he vetoes the bill, and loses because of that...the GOP will abandon the 2A folks instantly, and you will be permanently frozen out of politics.
Generate the votes. Forget your shooting buddies; convince moderates to oppose the AWB, because that 20% is where elections are won and lost. If you can't be bothered to do that, stop the bill in the Congress. If you can't be bothered to do that, either, then kindly (STFU)2.
You broke the code.
Many of these people claim to have supported Bush in 2000. I find their claims suspect at best.
So you'll comment anyway.
BUT, what we here in the rest of the country heard, Simon took a hard left after he got the nomination and began championing queer rights, benefits for "domestic partners", and other BS Commielib issues.
False.
The unappeasables out here LIED about Simon's positions based on ONE survey they sent him that got sent back in record time--far faster than any other survey. They may have had some help inside the campaign, because the usual folks who check over an issue group's survey and the campaign's official response never saw the thing. They were completely blindsided, and they could not find out who'd actually sent the response back.
This is the penalty of alienating your base, just as what happened in the NJ governor's race.
No, this is the penalty for actually getting nominated in place of the advocacy group's anointed one.
This happens so damn often in California that I'm convinced that many of the allegedly "pro-life," "pro-family," and "pro-gun" advocacy groups out here are actually front groups created by the Democratic Party with a useful idiot as a figurehead. They can be relied on to endorse a zero-hope third party candidate and kill the conservative vote.
If you RINOs thumb your noses at we conservatives, we'll shut you out of office.
I'm not a RINO. I'm a conservative interested in actually getting things done, unlike you.
If our choice is Socialist and Socialist Light, bring on the Rats, and let's get to the shooting that much quicker.
Thanks for explaining your agenda.
Folks who spout off about how they want armed revolt to come "that much quicker" on a public website are either (a) really f***ing stupid, or (b) working for the BATF.
Which one is it?
Drat! You figured us out! We "one issue, wacko, fringe, extremist, gun nuts" should've known better than to try to sneak our Commielib, pro-fag, pro-police state, anti-Constitution ways past ol' Poohbah, I tell ya what! /sarcasm
Uh, Earth to Pooh-Bear, we're the ones supporting the Constitution. Which is more conservative, demanding that our Constitution be upheld, or playing political games with it in order to keep a Pubbie in office?
"Folks who spout off about how they want armed revolt to come "that much quicker" on a public website are either (a) really f***ing stupid, or (b) working for the BATF.
Which one is it?"
Shucks! We just can't get anything past you, can we, you ol' Pooh-Stick, you? You know, you're not nearly as smart or funny as you evidently think you are. If this were 1775, would you have accused Sam Adams, Capt. Parker, and his minutemen, and others of being "really f***ing stupid", or agents of the Crown? I believe you would.
So, if I'm so "f***ing stupid", why not give me the benefit of your vast, untapped knowledge, and tell me how, in light of the current "go along to get along", New Tone philosophy of the Pubbie Party, we'll ever get started:
- rolling back the decades of encroaching Socialism,
- scrapping the regressive tax system we have,
- fixing the infringements upon the 1st, 2d, 4th, 5th, 9th and 10th Amendments we've witnessed in our lifetimes,
- end the assault on the family and the institution of marriage that Kalifornia has been at the forefront of,
- others?
Are you praying that the Pubbie RINOs will come to some massive, co-ordinated moment of levity, and realize they've been heading down the path of destructiuoon, all in the name of trying to win more Commielib voters? Well, prayer always helps, but I think you're betting on a losing hand. Are you counting on some unknown, dark horse leader to come from out of no where and heroically lead the party back from the edge of the cliff, and thereby avert the massive disaster that's looming over the horizon? Or are you simply playing ostrich, burying your head in the sand and singing your version of the Bobby McFerrin song, "Don't Worry, Be Happy (As Long As A Pubbie's In Office)"?
Or maybe, you don't find anything wrong with the path the Pubbies have been on since Bush I's reign. Hmmmmmm...but that couldn't be right. After all you say you're a conservative...
To answer your question, I'm neither f***ing stupid nor a BATF agent. I'm not a DU disruptor, a closet Rat, or any other ad hominem insult you can come up with. I am however, apparently a bit more concerned about what's happening to our Constitution than you are. I guess I'm just not a politician, but a concerned, conservative citizen. That would make you...what? Not so concerned? Not so Conservative? A politician? I'll resist commenting on the lack of intelligence you disply with your vulgar, insulting responses.
By the way, Winnie the Poobah, for those of you who don't seem to be too concerned about the unraveling of our Constitution, I bet there's a great American Idol chat going on somewhere.
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It took over 50 years for things to get as screwed up as they got by 1994. We've made some progress--and we've lost some, too. Them's the breaks.
We ain't going to build the New Jerusalem in a day--and, if we let folks like you captain the team, it won't EVER get built, because you'll just PO the electorate. (Unless, of course, you simply want to abolish those pesky elections--after all, YOU know so much better than the "sheeple" do, right?)
To answer your question, I'm neither f***ing stupid nor a BATF agent.
With what you posted, those are the only two options. Pick one.
"So you'll comment anyway."
Damn right I will.
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