Confederate Memorial Day will honor soldiers who sided against the Union

staugustine.com ^ | 18 April 2003 | PETER GUINTA

[billbears]

Again as another poster has pointed out, pieces of paper passing across the desk in Richmond didn't really mean a hill of beans at the front lines. As is evidenced by even yankee reports of Black Confederates. Oh, but I suppose those too are false. Much different from the micromanagement of lincoln over his troops. You see he knew the steps the invasion force was taking. He knew the deaths. He just didn't care. All to save his blasted union. Can't get the myth of lincoln tarnished a bit now can we? I'm suprised y'all just haven't gone ahead and venerated him up next to Christ

[Grand Old Partisan]

Yes, Sherman's orders were to destroy public property, and such private property such as railroads used in the war effort. Pillaging private homes was verboten, but some troops, such as many in the 1st U. S. Alabama Cavalry, engaged in some "payback" to their fellow southerners who had rebelled against the U. S. of A. Let's not forget that a lot of the pillaging of private homes was done by rebel deserters, whose army disintegrated before Sherman's advance. Letters to and from the CSA governors of Georgia and South Carolina attest to this. There were also many instances of civilians asking Union forces for protection against rebel bands of marauders. Of course, this is all missing from history books written by Democrat professors, covering for the Democrat-Confederates.

[Grand Old Partisan]

I am not at all a Lincoln-worshipper. In fact, my book recounts many errors he committed -- above all having a southern Democrat, Andrew Johnson, nominated for Vice President in 1864. The reason most rebels regretted Lincoln's death is that Andrew Johnson, unlike the Radical Republicans (most of whom opposed the death penalty), had been vowing to hang Jefferson Davis and his "pirate crew" (his words).

[stand watie]

some of your points MAY be valid.

certainly in today's "PC-kulture" the LIBS of all sorts will not accept back CSA veterans, BUT that does NOT denigrate OR deny the honorable service of the many thousands of blacks/indians/asians/hispanics/jews, who wore the gray.

if you choose to believe the 1st-person accounts of NUMEROUS yankee officers who saw MANY armed black veterans, it is difficult to accept your contention that they were something other than soldiers, sailors & marines.

on the march to Gettsburg, a yankee COL of medical troops said that he saw "MANY (emphasis mine) stinking n______s in the rebel ranks, armed with the same weapons & wearing the same filthy gray rags as all the other damned rebels." HE estimated that the large unit he saw passing his location was between 20-25% black. ( i refuse to argue about what HE SAW, as i was not there!)

as to celebrating the service of black CSA veterans ONLY for the last 10 years, that is patently FALSE. no less a person than the CDR of the UCV in 1914 spoke at the dedication of the Confederate monument at Arlington National Cemetery about the service of black veterans; indeed he pointed out the figure on the monument of a uniformed, armed black rebel soldier! the city of New Orleans erected a statue to the black CSA veterans of LA in the 1920s, which was the height of membership, NOT coincidentaly, of the KKK.

it is only the racists, bigots,damnyankees & LIBs who deny/denigrate the service of NON-white Confederates! NOT southrons! ONE of the LIES of PC-scholarship is to say that no slaves wore the gray;this is a lie of omission, because most of the liars know full well that the veterans were FREEMEN (slaves, not being free persons, could not take the oath of enlistment).

BTW, at the 50th commeration of the battle of Gettsburg, the National Park Service attempted to stop the many black rebels who had come for the re-enactment of Pickett's Charge from participating; the WHITE rebels told the officials that if their black compatriots in arms were excluded from the "slow-motion charge", that the whites would also not participate!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

let's hope you meant desendents!

LOL!

FRee dixie,sw

[putupon]

You should use the apologist's "Sherman didn't want too, but had too for the war effort" excuse. Your revisionist skills need work in order to make one statement not conflict with the other and jibe with the fact that what Sherman destroyed was far than a few miscellaneous private homes.

[Grand Old Partisan]

I don't quite understand your points, from various postings, about my supposed inconsistencies, but that's okay. Let's drop this debate here, so we can both get out and enjoy this beautiful day.

Cheers, GOP

[stand watie]

WRONG ANSWER!

only FREE men could take the CSA oath of enlistment. yes, there were slaves who were contracted out to the CSA military, but they were NOT servicemembers, but rather civilian laborers.

the black 100,000 or so black VETERANS were FREEMEN, who CHOSE to join the fight for dixie liberty.

sad for your side, that is FACT!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

may i suggest that you get a copy of BLACKS IN BLUE & GRAY by Professor H.R. Blackerby, PhD of Tuskeegee University history dept. & READ it.the book was published in the 1960s by Portals Press.

his book just may open your eyes.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

NOT an over-simplification. it's an INTENTIONAL damnyankee/scalawag LIE!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

NONSENSE, posted twice is still non-sense.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

the WHOLE army under sherman committed WAR CRIMES; most of the worst war crimes were against NON-whites & the poorest of southerners, as NOBODY cared what happened to slaves, indians & the poorest of the poor whites.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

unless you want to CONTINUE to look REALLY stupid, check out the 20093 Confederate calander, which has several photos, made during the war for southron liberty, of uniformed FREE black rebels.

you LOSE again!

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

NOPE! he was just another of those 100,000 or so REAL CSA VETs that damnyankees LIE about.

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

yet another LIE/EVASION!

FRee dixie,sw

[stand watie]

EXACTLY!

the rebel army was MOSTLY state, privately-raised & local units and a FEW PACSA troops.

damn few state, local OR privately raised units cared anything about what the Richmond bureaucrats wanted. mostly, they IGNORED the orders that camr down from the PACSA staff or "misunderstood" the orders.

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

make that 2003 calander-hit too many keys! SORRY!

[Grand Old Partisan]

Your calling me stupid renders you unworthy of my future attention.

[stand watie]

whether i'm unworthy of your attention or not,your revisionist, arrogant, ignorant, perhaps racist, damnyankee apologist LIES do NOT suddenly become less stupid or TRUE!

TRY TRUTH for once.

FREE dixie,sw

[Non-Sequitur]

It doesn't matter what "the law" or the Army Regulation was - you'll have to look down at least to brigade and probably to regimental level to find out what was really going on.

Which is why it was not uncommon to find blacks being used in a supporting role - teamsters, cooks, servants and the like - in spite of the fact that it was against the law to do so. But combat soldiers? Not likely.