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Behind The Neo-Prohibition Campaign
The Center for Consumer Freedom ^ | April 17, 2003 | Dan Mindus

Posted on 04/17/2003 1:03:26 AM PDT by WaterDragon

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To: Kevin Curry
What does your enlightened and elitist post to me actually mean? Why would you do it except to try and "pick a fight".

I'm not in agony over this. It doesn't effect me if they never legalize marijuana. What's right is right. This is about principles. I have a feeling that you right "Grow up" in a lot of your posts because it makes you feel superior.

Laws should exist to restrict an individual from infringing upon the rights of another, not just to control the lives of the citizens. Instead of worthless, inflammatory rhetoric why not address the issue that you know to exist? Because you like to say "grow up" to people?
381 posted on 04/19/2003 8:16:41 AM PDT by B. Rabbit (Can I get a witness?)
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To: B. Rabbit
write, not right.

Wow. Haven't made that mistake since grade school.
382 posted on 04/19/2003 8:18:31 AM PDT by B. Rabbit (Can I get a witness?)
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To: bassmaner
0.08 BAC is hardly drunk. It's an arbitrarily low number

1. Alcohol consumption is intentional impairment -- indeed there is no other purpose.

2. The impairment is gradual, i.e. there is no 'magic threshold' where, all of a sudden, impairment occurs.

3. While it is true that we (societally) allow other impaired drivers to drive i.e. the elderly and the handicapped, there is nothing comparable to alcohol where we allow individual drivers to intentionally impair their ability to drive and yet do so. It is insane.

4. BTW, if there were a special track (like Autopia at Disneyland) for the drinkers and the drunks, I could care less. They could kill off one another and themselves and improve the gene pool. But, alas, such is not the case. After intentionally impairing themselves, they go right out on the same highways as our wives and children. I have zero sympathy for the poor drunk who 'only' impaired himself 'a little bit'.

383 posted on 04/19/2003 9:20:00 AM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: robertpaulsen
Legalization with regulation. We all know that won't happen overnight. Who can seriously expect either major party to push for sudden Legalization of pot or cocaine after decades of procriminalization?

The Federal Government could do the right thing by staying out of initiatives brought at the state level regarding the use of medicinal marijuana. The federal government will eventually let the states decide when a political advantage can be gained.

I'm not naive. It may take decades before the Supreme Court hears and decides the breakthrough case
384 posted on 04/19/2003 11:28:20 AM PDT by okiesap
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To: tacticalogic
I think the criteria would be posing a threat to public safety beyond the ability of the user to understand, moderate and deal with the consequences.

A drug user is able to understand the effects of the drug he's about to take and moderate his intake. Or are you suggesting that it's legitimate to ban drugs that can in sufficient quantity render the user unable to prevent himself from committing hazardous acts? If so, which drugs are those, and does the list include alcohol?

385 posted on 04/21/2003 7:31:28 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: cinFLA
Gene Sperling, who [...]

You remain the master of the irrelevant reply.

386 posted on 04/21/2003 7:37:57 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: robertpaulsen
"A simple congressional majority could adopt a statute"

That prohibitionists thought so doesn't make it so.

387 posted on 04/21/2003 8:00:43 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
A drug user is able to understand the effects of the drug he's about to take and moderate his intake. Or are you suggesting that it's legitimate to ban drugs that can in sufficient quantity render the user unable to prevent himself from committing hazardous acts? If so, which drugs are those, and does the list include alcohol?

I am suggesting that there are drugs that it is inappropriate to sell people until they demonstrate an understanding of the effects, or at least inappropriate to sell to people who have demonstrated an inability understand and moderate the effects. If that means we have to license people to buy alcohol, and make that license revokable for a DWI conviction, so be it.

388 posted on 04/21/2003 8:03:08 AM PDT by tacticalogic (Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: MrLeRoy
"That prohibitionists thought so doesn't make it so."

Perhaps you could find a reference which supports your contention?

389 posted on 04/21/2003 8:19:40 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"That prohibitionists thought so doesn't make it so."

Perhaps you could find a reference which supports your contention?

I see nothing in the quoted text that requires support.

390 posted on 04/21/2003 8:24:00 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: MrLeRoy
Do you contend that the prohibitionists were wrong in their thinking? If so, provide the basis for your contention.
391 posted on 04/21/2003 8:29:52 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Do you contend that the prohibitionists were wrong in their thinking?

I contend that the opinion of prohibitionists is insufficient to establish that an amendment was not needed.

Conservatives should note the following about prohibitionists:

'Progressivism and prohibition were, in his [historian James H. Timberlake's] view, closely related middle-class reform movements seeking to deal with social and economic problems through the use of governmental power. They drew on the same broad base of support and moral idealism, and they proposed similar solutions to society's ills. Examinations of temperance campaigns in such varied states as Texas, Washington, Tennessee, New Mexico, Virginia, California, and Missouri support Timberlake's conclusion that "prohibition was actually written into the Constitution as a progressive reform." [...]

'Far more optimistic than the preceding generation about man's capacity to solve problems and mold a satisfactory world, Progressives believed that their goals could be reached by creating the proper laws and institutions. Whether the particular task into which they plunged was raising the quality of life for the urban working class, conserving natural resources, establishing professional societies and standards, improving governmental morality, democracy, and services, or controlling business practices, Progressives repeatedly displayed their unshakable confidence that legal and bureaucratic instruments could be found which would permanently uplift that aspect of their environment.' "They believed," as Ralph H. Gabriel put it, "that man, by using his intellect can re-make society, that he can become the creator of a world organized for man's advantage."'

392 posted on 04/21/2003 8:44:48 AM PDT by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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