OUCH: "White House Favors Renewing Gun Ban"

Gun Owners of America ^ | 4/14/03 | GOA

[Sender]

I seriously dout that many at DU give a rip about RKBA

There are a few over there who do. They stand out like diamonds in a pig's ass, and are generally flamed then tombstoned. Emotion rules the roost with the hyper leftists, most of whose knowledge about guns begins and ends with "all I know is that guns kill people and they're bad".

[philman_36]

The way to keep that from happening is not to deny what he said, it's to let both the White house and all your representation in congress and the Senate know that you strenuously oppose what he intends to do.
Oh please...the DC crew do what they want to do and I get "form letters".
Thank you for your concern. I too share your concerns yada, yada, yada...
They may pay attention, but in the end I doubt that it makes that much difference. I've gotten, if it's possible, even more cynical over the last few years. I've no time or disposition for any of 'em.

And in the end it always seems that the piece of crap bill gets passed (if I'm usually "agin it") and the good bill gets shot down (if I'm usually "fer it")!
They don't "represent" me or my views, but I still have to live with what they pass.

[epow]

. Now that a $25.00 glock 21 mag costs $125.00

And when that plastic mag breaks a few years from now, the next one, if you can find it, will cost $325. Also, how many pistol mags of any kind made before 1950 are still reliable enough to stake your life on? None that I know of. Weak springs and bent followers can be replaced, but if the housing, which is the part regulated by the law and can't be replaced, gets banged up it's usually never completely reliable again even after it's repaired.

Keep in mind that if another AW ban is enacted it probably won't have a sunset clause. That means your grandkids and their grandkids will never be free from these restrictions even if no other gun laws are ever passed, which we all know isn't gonna be the case.

Now, is that enough reason to write your congressman?

[BobinIL]

And GB-43 will not have Ross Perot and his 30 minute infomercials and laser pointer to siphon votes off of his base.

[epow]

I don't know what state your live in, but here in Ga my critter usually responds positively to my calls and letters. I realize he isn't responding just to my calls and letters alone, but if enough voters contact him on an issue it does get his attention.

In any case, I believe it's better to make your views known to those who rule over us like Roman Emporers than to just sit back and let them think they have a free ride with no accountability. That's how a democratic Republic is supposed to work, but I realize that it has become unworkable in many states where the liberal mindset has become so deeply ingrained in the people's minds.

[Redleg Duke]

If the American people would get up off of their dead asses on election day and vote out the anti-gun nuts, this wouldn't be an issue.

[RogueIsland]

To hell with every thing else, if I can`t own, or dream about owning any firearm I want, that`s it, I refuse to vote for the President.

What is it about a semi-automatic firearm that is usually of smaller caliber than the average hunting rifle that bothers you so much?

[Tailback]

I guess the "responsible" gunowners are guys like you with your over-under shotgun or bolt action deer rifle. People like me with a National Match grade AR-15 that I use to shoot NRA, CMP, and military hi-power rifle matches aren't responsible enough.

[Tailback]

He won't have Ross Perot, he'll have John McCain.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Who needs an automatic?
One Shot - One Kill is the motto, no?"

If you really wonder about the answer, consider that virtually every soldier in every army, and every police department in most American cities have such automatic guns.

Ask yourself why.

(The ask why we don't have a "Bill of Needs.")

[xsrdx]

The ridiculousness of the law is that it makes people feel good by calling it a ban, when it does nothing of the sort.

Au Contraire, it most certainly DOES amount to a ban.

You CANNOT obtain proper capacity magazines for new production handguns, period. There AREN'T ANY for guns in 357 SIG, for instance, that aren't marked LE USE ONLY and thus ILLEGAL TO OWN.

HK was forced to design a DIFFERENT MAGAZINE for its "sporting" SL8 that will only accept 10 rounds, and the GUN is compromised in design PURELY BECAUSE of the 94 Crime Bill.

It's a stupid, dangerous and ridiculous law that makes it clear who is in charge (The Government) and who is Subordinate (The People).

[Atlas Sneezed]

"Wow. I must be breaking the law; I have a factory high cap map in my Beretta 92. Oh wait, you mean the BAN doesn't actually BAN anything?"

It bans the manufacture of new full-capacity magazines for sale to civilians. Which may not mean much now, but even now there are plenty of new guns for which no supply of normal magazines exists. Don't be short-sighted, thinking only in terms of your budget and puny life span.

The founders gave us freedom several centuries ago. Do you really think they intended that citizens at some point would be frozen with firearms technology at one level, while the standing army they feared so greatly was allowed to have advancing wepons technology, until the "Armed citizentry" was a meaningless token?

[Atlas Sneezed]

"If the ban ends, does that mean that HK91's, semi-auto FAL's, SKS's, etc. can be imported and sold again?"

No. The BUSH 41 import ban (the one that got Clinton elected to be able to sign the AW ban) would still be in effect. Maybe HK would open a US factory to make semi-auto G36 rifles, the big difference is that Bushmaster would be able to put flash hiders on their rifles again.

"And does it mean that pistol mags will now be sold with factory high caps?"

Yes.

(I think)

[xsrdx]

The so called hard core gun owners are basicaly nut burgers that are providing the ammo that the Bradys need to take away my guns.

This is the attitude that got the bill through in the first place. Go ahead and prohibit THAT GUYS guns - I don't have, want or need them.

You think your guns are "safe" from blacklisting or confiscation? Think again.

If you think that there are "good" guns, and "bad" guns, you've fallen victim to the propaganda of folks like Schumer and Brady - guns are guns, period.

And if this ban stays, there will be more, and eventually, YOUR GUNS will be on a list.

Enjoy them while you can, because your kids and grandkids won't be able to.

[fight_truth_decay]

AS I PREDICTED, G.W. BUSH IS BACKING THE CLINTON GUN BAN


By Chuck Baldwin
Posted: April 14, 2003 - 9:45 pm PST
NewsWithViews.com

In this column (No God, No Guns, No Guts) dated December 17, 2002, I predicted that President G.W. Bush would support the so-called assault weapons ban first promoted by former President Bill Clinton and Sen. Diane Feinstein back in 1994. Interestingly enough, the gun ban became law on the strength of a tie-breaking vote by then Vice President Al Gore. The ban is scheduled to sunset next year, but Bush is joining Clinton and Gore in supporting an extension.

Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said, "The president supports the current law (the Clinton gun ban), and he supports reauthorization of the current law."

This must come as quite a blow to people such as the leaders of the National Rifle Association who campaigned heavily for Bush touting him as a "pro-gun" candidate. Since his election, the NRA and others have repeatedly reaffirmed their support for Bush, because he is "pro-gun." Well, now the mask is off!
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin102.htm

[Servant of the Nine]

I guess I`m really wrong. To hell with every thing else, if I can`t own, or dream about owning any firearm I want, that`s it, I refuse to vote for the President. Makes no difference what other things the guy stands for, what kind of leader he is, if I can`t have my toy,I`m going to hold my breath and shoot myself in the foot. At least, I am true to my principles.

I told you. I have already gotten everything I want or dream of and they are grandfathered under the law.
The law has no effect on me.
This is a matter of principal.
If we do not discipline the Republican Party to support the Bill of Rights or else, then we might as well just give up and elect Hitlery, because sooner or later we are gonna lose all our rights anyway.
The purpose of defeating George Bush is to teach all Republicans for a generation not to try this shit again.

So9

[Atlas Sneezed]

"This thread is full of disruptors whose purpose is to get everyone stirred up against our President. It sickens me. I smell a DU attack here."

Wishful thinking. Now is the time for you to face reality, and get worried for your President's prospects for a second term. You are hearing the true words of some VERY conservative gun-rights advocates who WILL NOT COMPROMISE OUR LIBERTIES just to keep an R in the WH. To us, the gun issue may very well be more important than all the others combined (because if we lose our gun freedoms, we have no maens to defend the rest of them.)

Put your head in the sand. Or, join our effort to make sure that Bush does the right thing, so that he can get re-elected.

[fight_truth_decay]

I am a big supporter of the President but you cannot be blinded by the facts as put forth in regard to this issue.

[Atlas Sneezed]

"But what the hey the GOA has to keep those contributions coming in."

They certainly do, to keep fighting against the growing prospect of a police state. Who besides a police thug would support a police state?

[fight_truth_decay]

We all don't read FreeRepublic 24/7 so this is my first read here. So guess I missed the other 4 times. ;)