As I Predicted, George W. Bush Is Backing Bill Clinton's Gun Ban

Toogood Reports ^ | April 15, 2003 | By Chuck Baldwin

[DBrow]

"Would you
allow a machine gun to be purchased by anyone?"

Anyone who really wants a machine gun in the USA can get one, unless the person is otherwise restricted from owning guns, like a felony conviction or Lautenberg Amendment problem.

But the asaault Weapons Ban has nothing to do with machine guns- even states this in the law, you should read it sometime. It only deals with semiautomatic guns, even some pricey target pistols in .22 caliber.

Stick to the subject. The AWB does not cover machineguns, howitzers, nukes, or bioweapons so don't bring them up please.

[m1911]

The ban in question has NOTHING to do with automatic weapons. It has to do with SOME semi-automatic weapons that are in most cases LESS deadly than a hunting rifle.

I know it's hard to get through the BS, but you need to know what the ban actually says, not what VPC and Brady are claiming.

[Ford Fairlane]

I did vote libertarian in the Illinois midterm election - a liberal moderate running as a republican vs a liberal running as a democrat, what did I have to lose

[redangus]

First C4 is not an arm, as in right to bear arms, it is an explosive. Second, where do some of you draw the line? It makes no difference what liberal position Bush supports it's all right with you because he isn't Hillary. Well if he supports everything that Hillary supports and denies Americans the same rights that Hillary would deny us then what difference does it make who is the WH.

[poet]

"it is pretty clear to me that someone on the left is starting to spill these 'traditionally conservative issues' to once again divide the GWB base."

Believe me when I say I am Not on the left. If anyone has damaged Pres Bush's so-called base it his embracing the liberal agenda. Of course, he has thrown us a couple of nuggets, but, by and large, this man is a liberal and a RINO.

FReegards

[Jesse]

For instance, we may have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to yell, "Fire" in a public theater, when there is none.


Yep. I agree.

But guess what? You are allowed to have the equipment to yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, and as long as you do not misuse that equipment you can keep the equipment. The trouble is, gun control laws are "thoughtcrime" laws. Your assumption is that if you own a certain firearm, then you are a criminal, even if you have not done anything wrong, or that the gun possesses some intrinsic will of its own which it can impose on your psyche and cause you to commit crimes. Therefore, certain guns should not be allowed because these inanimate objects "cause" crime.

In other words, if speech were controlled like most guns are, you would have your tongue cut out and only be allowed to write. Right?

Then you couldn't yell fire in a crowded theater. You couldn't call someone a racial epithet. You couldn't go into a bank and say "Stick em up".

Possession of a functional tongue, in your world, would be a crime and you would be subject to confiscation of the tongue and imprisonment because of the potential for harm that your tongue could commit. By banning tongues, you could save lives and prevent crime. Do you really need a tongue?

Kapish?

[cruiserman]

Say you have a religion that requires you to commit a human sacrifice? If we criminalize that, isn't that an infringement of your right to religion?

These are competing rights, and the right to life trumps my free exercise of religion in this case. Simple possession of a firearm should not be a crime.

[Ford Fairlane]

peripheral issue my lily white ass!!

[DBrow]

"are portable machine/tommy guns really that different from assault rifles?"

yes.

[Cultural Jihad]

Where does one draw the line? A better question you need to ask is whether a line should be allowed or not.

[Trailerpark Badass]

We should do everything possible to keep them off the streets.

Gun laws haven't made anyone safer. There is no published data which suggests they do.

[hove]

Bush lovers have to understand that Bush and Clinton are two peas in a pod. They only differ on style points to keep the sheeple amused. Just stop and think about it. Bush and his bunch have covered for Clinton from the get go! Just name the Clinton scandal....and think about how this administration has dealt with it. The fact that Bush's true colors on the second amendment are now showing are not surprise to anyone willing to honestly look at our President. No surprise at all. If you think Bush is a conservative....think again!

[Ford Fairlane]

If he vetoes the AWB I will vote Bush. If he makes repeal of the income tax a major issue I will vote Bush.

I'm with you

[m1911]

You are exactly right. So go to the police station and let them duct tape over your mouth so that you don't yell "Fire" in a theatre, and let them cut off your arms so you don't sacrifice anyone. Thank you.

[Fred Mertz]

Don't worry about it. Those of us that have what we have will be dead within 30-50 years.

It's the new generation that will be disarmed by the gummint.

[diamond6]

I'm confused. Who wrote the italicized portion on #101? Did you or someone else? You seem to be changing your position.

[rintense]

Naturally, I will disagree with you about GWB being a liberal. But, it seems to me that if he has embraced the liberal agenda, he lost your vote (and others) long ago. So his alleged position on this bill isn't going to make any difference with you, will it?

As stated before, I want to hear the man himself state his position. I know there are those who would believe a White House spokesperson, but I'll believe it when I hear it. Until then, I'll send emails stating my position about letting this bill die- which I think will happen anyway.

[diamond6]

I thought you said our rights were unlimited.

[omegatoo]

Things that GWB has done:
1.killed the Kyoto treaty on global warming
2.pulled the US our of the CCCP-US ABM treaty
3.backed and got our national missile defense program funded
4.killed the international criminal court
5. repealed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off electricity production in California and causing electricity rates to spike
6.repealed OSHA's new ergonomic regulations that were about to put every home based busines in America out of commission
7.appointed Ashcroft and Ted Olsen, who just wrote to the Supreme Court that the second Amendment is an individual right, not the "collective right" that liberals have maintained for decades.
8. signed the bill into law that gives pilots the right to arm themselves with firearms, a pleasant pro-gun victory on a national level (currently being obstructed by a DOT bureaucrat).
9.killed the left wing ABA's role in vetting federal judges for congress
10. instituted th first top down review of our military in years, which concluded (prior to 9/11) that asymmetric attacks were our biggest future threat.
11. killed the $11 billion crusader artillery boondoggle.
12. killed federal fundng of foreign "family planing" activities
13. ordered the justice department to finally enforce the SCOTUS Beck decision, giving union workers the right to recover any of their union dues that are used for political purposes with which they disagree
14. implemented steel tariffs in order to encourage European nationalism via trade wars.
15. not bombing pharmaceutical factories\
16. not bald faced lying to the country
17. not disgracing the White House with his sex escapades.
18. not allowing China to walk off with the kitchen sink.
19. kicked butt in Afghanistan
20. threats against Iraq are real
21. backs Taiwan
22. shifting US military thinking away from Europe and toward Asia and against China
23. cut taxes twice--once for individuals and another for businesses
183 posted on 06/19/2002 11:44 PM CDT by olliemb

This list is almost a year old. I think he's done one or two more slightly conservative things since then.

O2

[Byron_the_Aussie]

..not only is Bush betraying the pro-gun voters who helped elect him, he is breathing new life into a nearly dead anti-gun movement....

Yes. Why give them the oxygen of a win, without even a fight? If Bush refused to renew the extension, we could have the dream 2004 scenario where the Dems make antigun promises the centrepiece of their campaign. What better way could there be, to energise our side's footsoldiers?