Sources: RG, SRG Commanders Betrayed Hussein

STRATFOR ^ | Apr 15, 2003

[Torie]

"German intelligence" is almost as oxymoronic as "Stratfor intelligence," in both useages of the word.

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[Howlin]

Any news yet when Saddam Hussein will be surrending? Remember just last week you all reported that Condi Rice had negotiated his surrender through Russia.

Still waiting.

[Howlin]

LOL..see #4.

[Paleo Conservative]

"German intelligence" is almost as oxymoronic as "Stratfor intelligence," in both useages of the word.

The British MI-6 played German intelligence like a fiddle during World War II.

[Leo Carpathian]

Maybe yes, maybe not. Time will tell. It will be interesting to find out what really happened. We know that we can't trust 100% what comes out of government.

When I lived behind the Iron Curtain while serving in the armed forces, and we were say, to get involved in the armed conflict with the West, depending on the situation, we were ready to "take care" of officers and turn around and fight the commie bastards. Thank God, R. Reagan and people power that it did not come to that and the revolution was relatively peaceful. You can't expect all the people to be 100% brainwashed and "loyal" to dictatorships. At the right time the scale flips and the quick end is a reality.

Freep & Roll!

[cynicom]

The Krauts get their info from the Russians.

[pachanga]

Agreed. Stratfor sucks...sounds like dekba anymore.

[McBuff]

Here's my theory:

Daisy Cutter

-End of Story-

[ambrose]

Don't scoff - this report has been confirmed by DEBKA.

[thucydides]

The idea that the Iraqi forces would simply fold is not so hard to believe. This is what happened in the Israeli wars.

[battlegearboat]

The "Arab Street" needs sweeping.

[Torie]

We won't know for sure until we get the final word from Bagdad Bob.

[Stefan Stackhouse]

Well, whether this report is totally true or not, it is becoming increasingly obvious that the initial Mar 20th surprise decapitation attack did do the Iraqi regime some serious damage, and probably was the mortal wound that eventually did them in, even if Saddam did somehow manage to survive initially.

[Tokhtamish]

Look at the battles of Clive in India. The Indian princes fielded enormous armies to fight the British. Armies that had significant amounts of modern weapons and even some Western mercenaries. But they were crippled often by internal treason and the intrigues of the Indian princes. Clive could always find some prince on the other side willing to sell out his master.

That is how despotism works, or doesn't work. Everybody is looking out for #1. Indeed the very fact that the Euphrates bridges weren't blown smells to high heaven.

But I have another suspicion. Today I heard a thoroughly cowed Tikriti say on CNN that he only wanted peace. The Sunnis are a privileged minority in Iraq and perhaps fear that that sandwiched between the Shiite majority and vengeful Kurds, the fate of the Tutsis awaits them. Like good subjects of despotism they might have considered it in their advantage to earn favor with the Americans and not go down with a sinking ship. Between the Kurds and the Shiites Baathist Tikriti Iraq is dead. Even before we took Baghdad far sighted Sunni leaders might have seen the merit to not fighting to the death for a doomed Saddam.

Even Udai shuddered that Saddam was too damn proud and would destroy them all with his megalomania. Maybe the entire Sunni elite has felt that way for a long time.

[OldCorps]

bump to read later

[tutstar]

ping

[yooper]

"Those commanders agreed to surrender Baghdad without a fight and effectively stop the war on Iraq in exchange for cash payments and guarantees of safety for them."

If this is true, and it's a big if, whatever coalition officer OK'ed the deal should be brought up on charges.

[Henchman]

The alleged betrayal by the RG & SRG giving up Saddam etc is BS that can't be substantiated because...it ain't true; and for no other reason. It will never be revealed that the German Intelligence is substituting negative disinformation for reality because they are part of the Axis of Weasels. If there were widespread payoffs (there had to be some by Special Ops), the US would not be delaying turning up actual WMD.