Critics say Contracts Open to Cronyism

Well, we half agree - but yes, large corporations employee illegals big time. They don't have them as employees on the books, but hire them through manpower agencies. That way, they have no responsibility for them and pay or collect no taxes. Please don't let anyone snow you with that argument. They are everywhere employers can use them. They are used anywhere and everywhere they can be and that's a lot of places. I am believing you just don't realize it - but it is true. NOw the agribusiness is one big lawbreaker - but the construction industry also and some of those corporations are pretty big, but as an association, they hold big time sway with the government. These people do painting, drywall, concrete work, bricklaying, plumbing, electrical - all of it. So yes, they are in every facet. I have only met one that was doing computer work.

Now you actually believe that the little man's money makes a difference - sadly I don't. So I sorta feel that would be a waste of my hard earned dollars. They get enough of that as it is.

but yes, large corporations employee illegals big time.

No they don't! The vast majority of large corporations are meticulous about following laws. They have to be, or they would be out of business.

Sure, there are some people who hire illegals for construction, landscaping, or ag work. But those are almost always small contractors who hire these guys from streetcorner job markets.

Your money and effort would make a difference in a political campaign if you would use it to make a difference instead of just complaining about why other people don't do what you want.

but yes, large corporations employee illegals big time.

No they don't! The vast majority of large corporations are meticulous about following laws. They have to be, or they would be out of business.

Sure, there are some people who hire illegals for construction, landscaping, or ag work. But those are almost always small contractors who hire these guys from streetcorner job markets.

Your money and effort would make a difference in a political campaign if you would use it to make a difference instead of just complaining about why other people don't do what you want.

Now we have gone over and over this. I don't know where you live. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say that you just don't know because you are removed from the problem.

Now you need to think about this, there are millions - I mean millions of illegals here - they can't all be landscapers. Now - I said the construction business, we're not talking one-house homebuilders - we are talking big time builders. We are talking big machinery companies who build highways. Why do you think they are bringing them in to Iowa so they can work at a small business - of course not. We are talking big meat packers - of all kinds employ them. I told you many of these hire them through manpower agencies. Don't you know that manpower agencies furnish workers - American workers to corporations. Some people work 10 years as 'casuals' or 'temporary' - now it is mostly illegals - but it used to be Ameican workers. Yes, they show ID - the best money can buy.

Now as I said, you may just be removed from the problem - but if someone has been selling you that story - if they are - I wouldn't buy a used car from them because they are telling you something that is totally untrue.

AS for other people not doing what I want - you see those 'other people' work for me. It is called the people's government for a reason. WE own it. They work for us - we pay their salary. It is our obligation to keep an eye on what they are doing and if they are not doing the job as they should - and there is no way you can say they are. So why are you getting angry with me - I am doing my job. Tell the ones who are not doing their job - just their legal job - I won't ask them to be moral.

You know I don't care if you give money or if you work for them - that is your business. But I have no desire to give them any more of my money. Now you don't have to believe they are bought and paid for - but please if you have been told - 'they are just doing the jobs no one else wants' - go back to that person and tell him/her they are very untruthful. Don't take my word for it - ask people who live in other parts of this country. All you have to do is read some of the posts. We are not making this up - we don't hate anyone - we just love this country - and many of us are a little disenchanted with our government.

Well, I guess we have closed the circle.
I am not angry at you. I was just trying to explain that there are imigration problems of different sorts. The fact that 3,000 innocent people died on 9/11, and more are at risk, gave the Middle Eastern immigration problem priority over the Mexican one. I have lived in several different areas of the country, and I am familiar with the problem you describe. I agree that it is a problem, but it is only one of many.

And I was also trying to tell you that it is more effective to try to work to get politicians you like elected than to just complain on message boards. It's also more satisfying when you manage to get rid of someone who isn't an effective Congressperson for your district/state. It's not enough just to say you pay their salary - you also need to have a voice in who it is that collects the salary.
And it doesn't work to just complain because people like me work to elect politicians you don't like. It's easier for us when nobody works for (or contributes to)the opposition.

And it doesn't work to just complain because people like me work to elect politicians you don't like. It's easier for us when nobody works for (or contributes to)the opposition.

I don't have any problem with you working to elect politicians - and it is very cynical, I realize, but to me politicians are one of two things - bad or worse. I think some might go into it wanting to do good - then they hit the reality of who really pulls the strings.

It was like a first term congressman (representative, probably, don't remember) was talking about money and its influence. He said he went into politics really wanting to do great things - got to Washington and began talking and working. One of the party leaders called him aside and told him "it's nice you want to do something and just go right ahead - just be sure you don't do anything that gets into my pocket and that goes for most of us up here."

Yes, I do think the ME immigration problem is crucial - and should be stopped, however, there is no reason we don't have a handle on the ME immigration problem. The numbers are not nearly as great as the Mexican. Now the Mexican problem will get us in the end - for sure - for sure. We might be able to actually do something or neutralize most of the ME threat. But we have to do something.

Actually, I am heartened there are people out there who are still believing and working. I can't, in good conscience, give money or time to a politician. So, I do what I can to bring the problem to people's attention and try to let them know how important it is. Yes, I am pretty much a one-issue person - not really, but that one issue covers everything including healthcare, law enforcement, property taxes, insurance, education, jobs, our sovereignty. So it isn't really one issue - but those who want to minimize it try to portray it as such.

So you keep on working and trying to elect good people - and I will keep trying to bring the problems to people's attention. They both serve a purpose - don't they?

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