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WAR & HERITAGE:
IS ANCIENT IRAQ BEING PROTECTED?
(Museums may not have been looted)
Archaeology Magazine ^
| March 27, 2003
| Marisa Macari
Posted on 04/12/2003 11:13:13 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: Servant of the Nine
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posted on
04/13/2003 9:05:15 AM PDT
by
Drango
(Two wrongs don't make a right...but three lefts do!)
To: Lauratealeaf
"Evidentally there are quite a few of those reactionary readers right here at Free Republic. One actually said on another thread that our soldiers lives are not as important as those museum artifacts. I kid you not!"
That was me. And I am telling you right this minute in front of God and everybody that there are material things in this world that people should risk thier lives for and that people risk thier lives to protect property every day. We call them firemen, and policemen and armed guards and soldiers. That's thier job and they are trained for it so they don't get killed. What's the use of being free without property and knowledge and wonders to marvel over... you pinhead. Our government should have protected that museum: we have the money, the skill, the manpower and the common sense to know that it would be a target of looters. And no soldier would have been in any more danger than on the battlefield, probably it would be less dangerous. This should not be brushed under the rug. We are not barbarians. If we could have protected this and we didn't then we need to do everything we can to get the stuff back including a literal Act of Congress consisting of a public pledge to go to extreme lengths to do everything in our power to restore this museum.
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posted on
04/13/2003 9:31:11 AM PDT
by
Theresa
(on)
To: Theresa
If we could have protected this and we didn't then we need to do everything we can to get the stuff back including a literal Act of Congress consisting of a public pledge to go to extreme lengths to do everything in our power to restore this museum.Alas, I fear that will be a daunting task. This is a far bigger loss/disaster than most people here even realize.
To: Theresa; Fracas; terilyn; laz17
And no soldier would have been in any more danger than on the battlefield, probably it would be less dangerous.
You sound similar to Nancy Pelosi who said, "We could have probably brought down that statue for a lot less." With every word you post you are proving more and more how little you know or appreciate about the soldiers who have fought and died in Iraq. Even on this wonderful day when the POWs have been found you are still fussing about the looting.
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posted on
04/13/2003 12:22:34 PM PDT
by
Lauratealeaf
(Iraqis say, Good, Very Good, Bush Good!)
To: Lauratealeaf
"You sound similar to Nancy Pelosi who said, "We could have probably brought down that statue for a lot less." With every word you post you are proving more and more how little you know or appreciate about the soldiers who have fought and died in Iraq."
If you were on fire and the Mona Lisa was on fire and I had one bucket of water I would pour it on you. But if I knew ahead of time that you would both catch fire and I did not plan to bring enough water and man power to save you both it would be inexplicably stupid.
I find it inexplicably stupid that we did not even try to save the museum given that we managed to save the oil wells. We started this war and we should have done something or at least try to do something. I don't feel a bit guilty about pointing that out and pointing out that it has nothing to do with not appreciating the troops.
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posted on
04/13/2003 12:53:25 PM PDT
by
Theresa
(on)
To: Servant of the Nine
I sure hope this is true. The rest of the looting didn't bother me but the looting of the museum made me cringe every one of the thousands of times it has been mentioned.
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posted on
04/13/2003 12:54:28 PM PDT
by
tiki
To: APBaer
Those are GREEK; but, you got the idea. :-)
Actually, I was referring to the lapis & gold sheep from Ur and the HUGE winged, many creatures in one statues, that Saddam had recreated ( because the Brits had the originals ) with his face on the new ones .
To: Theresa; Fracas; terilyn
If you were on fire and the Mona Lisa was on fire and I had one bucket of water I would pour it on you. But if I knew ahead of time that you would both catch fire and I did not plan to bring enough water and man power to save you both it would be inexplicably stupid.
If I were on fire I would drop and roll and not expect help from the likes of you. I see you are still quite hysterical today. As I write this there is still a firefight going on in Baghdad. That's keeping the troops pretty busy. I haven't noticed any compassion or care expressed by you for our troops. That tells me what I need to know about you.
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posted on
04/13/2003 2:37:42 PM PDT
by
Lauratealeaf
(Iraqis say, Good, Very Good, Bush Good!)
To: nopardons
"HUGE winged, many creatures in one statues"
Got one of the beasties right here on Fifth Avenue, and he's become a New Yorker.
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posted on
04/13/2003 2:49:27 PM PDT
by
APBaer
To: Lauratealeaf
It has nothing to do with "compassion" for the troops.
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posted on
04/13/2003 3:18:15 PM PDT
by
Theresa
(on)
To: APBaer
That's the one ! Does the Met have one now ? They didn't have one before.
The British Museum has several pair and they're HUGE !
To: nopardons
Yes, they have two of them, they stood guard at the entrance to the great palace of Ashurnasirpal II. The Met also has many wall panels from the same palace. Check out the number of legs on the animals, they have five. This is so that seen head-on the two front legs are together, but when seen from the side the animal is striding forward. The cone-like head covering signifies a mystical creature of great power.
Check this out:
http://www.metmuseum.org/collections/department.asp?dep=3
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posted on
04/13/2003 8:26:48 PM PDT
by
APBaer
To: APBaer
Yes, I know all about them , from reading AND seeing them many times, in the British Museum.
As a born & bred Manhattanite, I prictically lived in the Met ; heck, I could tell where dust had fallen and not been cleaned off yet, between my visits. Even after moving to Chicago, I came back and took my kiddo there and relived my own childhood memories. :-)
Do you know when the Met acquired those things ? I don't remember reading about them before I stopped my N.Y. Times subscription and the N.Y. Post has NEVER run an article about the Met getting them. It must be rather recent ... right ?
To: nopardons
They got "Human-headed Winged Bull and Winged Lion (Lamassu), ca. 883859 B.C. Northern Mesopotamian. Alabaster (gypsum). Gift of John D. Rockefeller Jr., 1932", but I do not think they went on display until much later.
The Met has built a special room on the second floor for these treasures. Around the walls of which are the large wall panels. I have a recollection that much after the British Museum put their panels on display someone was doing a thesis on how the British Museum got the panels. This led to a school in England where the additional panels (now at the Met) were thought to be mere copies of what went to the British Museum. But it turned out that they were half of the original amount and not copies. The Met bought them and built the very large display space.
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posted on
04/13/2003 8:41:18 PM PDT
by
APBaer
To: nopardons
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posted on
04/13/2003 8:43:44 PM PDT
by
APBaer
To: APBaer
That new display room MUST be quite recent ! I can tell you, catagorically,and as an eyewitness, first hand, that these staues and wall panels were NOT on display from the 1940s through 1990 or so ! At one time, I knew every inch of public display in the Met. LOL
The vast majority of the Cloisters' collection ( as well as the land ) is from the donations of the Rockefellers too. If it weren't for them, much of this unreplaceable art work, would NOT be in N.Y.C. !
Many thanks for posting all of this neat info. I guess that a trip to the Met, by me, is called for. :-)
To: *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; Servant of the Nine
Just adding this to the GGG homepage, not sending a general distribution. Please FREEPMAIL me if you want on or off the "Gods, Graves, Glyphs" PING list --
Archaeology/Anthropology/Ancient Cultures/Artifacts/Antiquities, etc.
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posted on
07/20/2004 10:21:31 AM PDT
by
SunkenCiv
(Unlike some people, I have a profile. Okay, maybe it's a little large...)
To: Servant of the Nine
If anything does go missing they might want to search the hotel room of these UNESCO people. After the oil-for-food thing I'm not sure I'd want to trust the UN to guard the artifacts.
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posted on
07/21/2004 8:46:00 AM PDT
by
DeuceTraveler
(Freedom is a never ending struggle)
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