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Torture cells that kept a people in fear
The Sunday Times ^ | April 13, 2003 | Christine Lamb

Posted on 04/12/2003 3:29:06 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan
Here we must 'fess up as well. America encouraged the Kurds and Shiites to rise up against Saddam after Desert Storm. It was the direct consequence of an adherence to a United Nations restriction to liberate Kuwait and go no further. But it was a betrayal all the same, and we would lessen our manhood if we did not acknowledge it.

It is a manhood we have in some measure won back, or should I say, our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines have won back. And what is past, is past. All we can say is that now and henceforward: never again.
21 posted on 04/12/2003 4:30:37 PM PDT by wretchard
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To: MadIvan
Am I confused, or is the average quality of the writing much higher in British media?
22 posted on 04/12/2003 4:37:20 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: MadIvan
Libdem/Chicoms sometimes understand pictures. Are there any?
23 posted on 04/12/2003 4:52:41 PM PDT by Libloather (It still isn’t safe enough to vote DemocRAT…)
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To: MadIvan
I haven't seen much reporting of the monstrous Iraqi atrocities in our local American newspapers.

They prefer to write about the looting, how many innocent Iraqis have been killed by American bombs and Jessica's latest meal.

Maybe this subject is just too painful for them. But, I doubt it.

24 posted on 04/12/2003 4:58:23 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: MadIvan
In a way this is even worse than Hitler. Germany actually tried to exterminate people with as little pain as possible. It was not their goal to make the Jews suffer, they wanted them dead. Saddam's regime was built around humiliating and making people suffer.
25 posted on 04/12/2003 4:59:20 PM PDT by BRL
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To: gkhong
“If I was to collect all the bad words in all the languages, it still would not be enough to describe Saddam,”

This says it all. My sentiments, exactly.

Mine too. I have exhausted myself trying to express my revulsion and find the words not only to describe Saddam, but everyone on the Left who aided and abetted him and condemned Bush. Each day, some new atrocity is discovered, and someone on the Left hurls yet another calumny, and my disgust continues to grow and can no longer be expressed in language.

26 posted on 04/12/2003 5:41:24 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: wretchard
All we can say is that now and henceforward: never again.

That's what the world said after the Holocaust. Never again. And yet, here we are again. Why? Because the Left continues to try to enslave mankind under totalitarian regimes and deliver the world to Satan. They never stop, they never rest. Their every thought and action is dedicated to this goal, which is why we must be ever vigilant.

27 posted on 04/12/2003 5:47:57 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: BRL
Germany actually tried to exterminate people with as little pain as possible.

That's true. The Nazis were purely evil, yet in an antiseptic way. Because of their belief in their supposed superiority, they tried not to behave as animalistic savages and barbarians. The use of gassing to exterminate the Jews was concocted because Himmler wanted a bloodless way to commit mass murder. At one point, he personally witnessed Jews being shot in the back of the head and dumped into a mass grave, and it made him vomit. So he came up with a way to kill with a veneer of sophistication. The Ba'athists, on the other hand, got their jollies by being as barbaric and medieval as possible. While the sight of blood turned Himmler's stomach, Saddam and his mafia sadistically enjoyed the bloodiest of atrocities.

28 posted on 04/12/2003 5:57:29 PM PDT by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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Hitler did do one barbaric thing, which was unusual. When the men were caught who had planned an unsuccessful assassination attempt, he ordered them to be hung with piano wire and he watched them die through a window.
29 posted on 04/12/2003 6:43:52 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Restorer; MadIvan
Am I confused, or is the average quality of the writing much higher in British media?

Seems to be so. At least from the gems that Ivan posts. I try to read every single one.

30 posted on 04/12/2003 7:31:24 PM PDT by don-o
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is the average quality of the writing much higher in British media?

Agreed...it is. Perhaps they have not had to fight OBE and ebonics and multi-confusion-isms.....

I was raised by an English teacher and local papers drive me nuts with their lack of quality. Maybe the editor(s) are lazy, asleep, or both.

31 posted on 04/12/2003 8:27:34 PM PDT by Johnny Crab
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To: Happygal
My God, those b*stard Ba'athists have the mark of Cain on their souls.

I hope not. That would mean no one would kill them in retaliation without God's wrath coming upon them.

32 posted on 04/12/2003 9:30:35 PM PDT by Genesis defender ("Free Republic, a hotbed of Christian Zionist opinionating.")
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To: PhilDragoo
It sickens me to think about how those leftist scum have defended that devil Saddam and his henchmen!!!
33 posted on 04/12/2003 9:49:59 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: don-o
Not that higher quality writing than the American media is a very high standard. I find the average newspaper or news magazine almost painful to read.
34 posted on 04/12/2003 10:27:55 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: MadIvan
CNNs of Commission Q ERTY8 BUMP!

the movie

35 posted on 04/15/2003 3:21:45 AM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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