Undue Influence -- the Government of Mexico and U.S. Immigration Policies

The Social Contract Press ^ | Apr. 3, 2003 | Allan Wall

[WRhine]

Aww, don't worry! As soon as they get out from underneath the desks, they'll be louder than ever before. Which is what worries me the most: now that the war is won, they will be advocating open immigration as the other poster said. So the flow from the south will now become a tidal wave, if we aren't already there. Border enforcement will simply cease to exist and the gates will be thrown open, because Bush is now in hock to them. What fun...hope I'm proved wrong on that, but...I don't think so

I am wary of this also. Bush certainly has more than enough political capital, at least within the party, to pretty much do what he wants with border enforcement and immigration in general. We will probably get a preview of what is coming down the pike in the next few weeks.

[WRhine]

Nice Post Regulator.

[WRhine]

Get off it.
Plenty of neocons have woken up about immigration since 9-11.

Aside from the short list of so-called awakened neo-cons you provided (and to my knowledge Daniel Pipes has always been concerned about immigration), truth is very few neo-cons have changed their tune about immigration since 9/11. And I shutter to think what it would take to wake up most of these pseudo conservatives to the immigration crisis in America.

[junta]

The immigration battles are lost, they are mainly fought out of habit and the fact some people its their living and fear change. Yes I mean what I say about the rural border landowners because in a few years the discrimination they face won't be over quotas or exorbinant taxes to pay for Aztlan fantasies but real live ethnic cleaning though perhaps on a slow scale that keeps it off the front pages. The gated community conservatives will be ok in their retirement communities if they keep their mouths shut, but the small landowner will get offers he should not refuse.

[texastoo]

Thanks for posting this. It is very informative.

What I find most amazing is that legal and illegal hispanics know more about our laws than most people on FR do. They know how to get US freebies and they don't mind lying about them to get them.

The American public has not been told the gravity of this situation.

[rmlew]

Neoconservatism holds America to be a nation built upon an idea. They believe that anyone can accept this idea and become an American.
At some point they would have to understand that while ideas can be universally accepted, it does not follow that they will. in other words, they need to give up a Jeffersonian ideal and accept that culture matters to a polity.

The real problem is thta most neocons are white ethnics. They believe in the immigation myths of the early 20th century. Their attachment is not to the America of 1789, but to 1910. Their ideal of America is not found in Democracy in America or the Federalist Papers but in the Hollywood "American dream."

White ethnic intellectuals have defined their group identity in opposition to the WASPS. They associate assimilating to 1800 to become a WASP. Thus they created a new America. In effect, they believe in a "melting pot" where immigrants keep their identity but switch allegience to America, but it is America which must change. To accept that ideas are based on a culture and that America has a national identity would force them to confront their cultural identities.
How many of them can truly agree with the following though by Teddy Roosevelt?

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.... A hyphenated American is not an American at all... Americanism is a matter of the spirit, and of the soul...The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans...each preserving its separate nationality.... The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans.... There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American."

They refuse to accept that you can be an American and a Jew or Irishman, but you need to be an American first and foremost.

[madfly]

bump

[Regulator]

That's an interesting list. Let's see...

• Horowitz has always let Allan Wall, Don Feder, Lowell Ponte and a few others write for FrontPage, even prior to 9/11. Actually, it's the first place I ever saw an Allan Wall article. I've never heard Horowitz' views on immigration in general, since he seems to concentrate on radical Black organizations such as the Nation of Islam, etc. Perhaps you could infer that he's sympathetic to the viewpoints that he allows to be published, but I do remember one of his editorials responding to Richard Poe, his old editor, where he disagreed that Third World Immigration should be curtailed, which is essentially an agreement with Hart-Cellar. I think Horowitz is conflicted about it, but he does let a rather paleo viewpoint to publish. At least a reasoned paleo viewpoint. Frontpage archive: FrontPageMag incomplete list of Immigration articles . Note (pg.2) that some articles predate 9/11/01.
• Again, with Jeff Jacoby, I believe his attitudes predate September 11th. Without a better search, I can't prove it except to say I believe I remember reading articles by him prior to that. I can't imagine him living in Boston, being who he is, and agreeing with Kennedy, so I suspect that he has probably had misgivings about mass immigration for a long time. Perhaps cemented by 9/11.
• Pipes wrote this 6 days prior to the attack: Crisis of Illegal Immigration . Kinda always been hawkish..
• Stephen Steinlight, My, My...where oh where did he disappear to...well, his famous CIS paper was published in October 2001, just a month later. I have a hard time believing his epiphany came in just those few short weeks. Read it here, again: The Jewish Stake in America's Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy . Talk about inflammatory titles...
• Krauthammer. Ah yes, the Paraguayan Paramour of the Right, late of Canada...land of Frum-ination...haven't heard anything from him other than the usual labeling of anyone who doesn't agree with him as a racist...oh sorry, that's Kristol's shtick..but I hope that he's changed his tune. I don't think he's ever been for mass immigration; but certainly he's always been for relatively open immigration, but with assimilation.
• Michelle is a neo?! Since when!? She even has a column on VDARE! She's an honorary paleo...

Interesting comment on Buckley and the Birch Society. Hey, I was going to JBS meetings in 1965, with my father! Great way to grow up. "A Republic, not a Democracy" -- printed right on the stationary! Yee Haa. But we always had NR around. Buckley was different then.

[jimt]

Deport the illegals - all of them - AND their "anchor babies". Make english the official, and ONLY language used in government offices and government schools. Remove welfare from all immigrants and enforce the support agreements signed by their sponsors. Close the borders to illegals entirely. Quickly deport any new illegals. Make a second offense a ten year prison term - at hard labor.

[jimt]

BTW - and I'm a Libertarian. Open borders are a great idea - in the proper context. We have NOWHERE near the proper context now. To approach it, we'd have to completely stomp out any vestige of the welfare state. Then we'd need to repeal about 95% of the laws.

Until then, my previous prescription is mucho in order.

[WRhine]

Neoconservatism holds America to be a nation built upon an idea. They believe that anyone can accept this idea and become an American.

Thanks rmlew. Your analysis of Neo-Con immigration ideology is similar to how I have come to understand it. Their beliefs of course are naive and contradictory in the extreme. The notion that all cultures and peoples of this world are essentially equal and contribute the same to America's national greatness is ludicrous on its face. It naturally begs the question as to why some countries prosper while others remain eternal pits of squalor.

Another underlying (false) assumption that Neo-Cons advance is that America has no culture, therefore there is no compelling reason whatsoever for new immigrants to assimilate. But taking this thought to its logical end: how could an immigrant ever become an "American" if there really is no core American culture or identity? Apparently by way of circular reasoning their answer is that the existing population in America must assimilate to the cultures of the new immigrants, not the other way around...which is what is happening today.

There is little mystery as to how America’s immigration policies beginning in the mid-1960s have gone so wildly off track. Neo-Cons for many years have steadily built up tremendous influence within the Republican Party. In conjunction with the majority of democrats who are always interested in importing a new subservient under class, they have successfully turned sensible immigration policy right on its ear to the inescapable disaster that it is.

Honestly, I cannot fathom anything more dangerous to the future of this Republic than the continuance of our government’s “anything goes” immigration polices--Muslim Terrorism not withstanding.

I’m glad you posted Teddy Roosevelt’s comments on immigration. Teddy Roosevelt understood this problem well and all Americans should heed his warning.

[rmlew]

1. David does not write about immigration. He has gone from an assimilationist to a restrictionist.
2. Jeff Jacoby talked about assimilation before 9-11. That is different than restriction.
3. I was wrong about Pipes.
4. 9-11 changed many peoples minds. After 9-11 I held a showing of "Jihad in America" at Columbia. Many liberals came over to express their support for restricting immigration from Arab countries.
5. The neo-position is legal immigration based on assimilation.
6. Michelle Malkin is no Constitutionalist. She is also a foreign policy hawk.

[wku man]

Then our borders would still be wide open avenues of appraoch through which our terrorist enemies could infiltrate our nation at their leisure. I used to be a Libertarian, but the whole open borders philosophy was one of the things that made me leave the party and declare myself an Independant.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[madfly]

bttt

[jimt]

Then our borders would still be wide open avenues of appraoch through which our terrorist enemies could infiltrate our nation at their leisure. I used to be a Libertarian, but the whole open borders philosophy was one of the things that made me leave the party and declare myself an Independant.

Give me several hours to construct a "libertarian society thought experiment" and I bet I could change your mind.

But we don't have several hours, and as things stand with our current welfare state open borders are totally impossible. That's the point I was trying to make.

If you pull one part of the platform out of context, it often looks ridiculous. Unless all of it were enacted, other parts are clearly not practical. It's a logical totality. Open borders depends very much on that totality. In our current situation it'd be suicide, either fast by terrorists or slow by parasites.

[wku man]

You couldn't change my mind. I'm still very much a small "l" libertarian, but the LP is dead wrong when it comes to open borders. Yes, we should end the welfare state, but that's not enough. It would stop the majority of the illegal scumbag aliens from invading our country from both the north and the south, but it would do nothing to address the danger posed to our national security national security by haveint borders that leak like sieves.

Incidently, the open borders issue is but one reason I left the LP.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[madfly]

Immigration Assistance is big business. Huge number of websites with up-to-date posting of immigration laws in spanish, tips & tricks, and big fees for help that can be found at INS offices and sites. These people, along with those who advertise in Mexico news for "Help Wanted" here should be put out of business, if not fined for false advertising. I get upset just thinking of these con artists.