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Middle Ages were warmer than today, say scientists
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| 4-6-03
| Robert Matthews
Posted on 04/05/2003 7:38:26 PM PST by Prince Charles
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To: algol
Yes, and specifically it was the cooling temperatures that killed off the Viking settlements on Greenland...
Of course, I've read some Roman history that claims that in Roman Britain they grew significant numbers of grapes!!! Just try that now in our supposedly overheated world...
To: Prince Charles
No crap! You mean to tell me the Little Ice Age (1400-1750) really happened??? I'm flabergasted!
Anyone who knows the least amount of history, especially of the Norse Iceland and Greenland settlements, and also the ice cover, or lack thereof, on the Netherlands canals, can tell you about this.
To: Buckhead
Actually, there's a very good argument that environmentalism is a secular religion.I'm sure there is this element to the environmental movement. But unless their zeal is of "Islamic" magnitude, they shouldn't, as a quasi-religious movement, represent a threat to our way of life and standard of living. But, in fact, the environmental movement is a real threat and it is in the political realm, not the religious, that the movement has the ability to affect my life.
Remember, just because a wolf wears green clothing doesn't mean that he is not red inside. This movement is just another arm of the Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Communist-World Socialist movement that we have to keep on killing. I thought it would die with end of the Soviet Union. A very naive assumption as it turned out.
To: Prince Charles
When I was a little boy I had to walk 12 miles through the snow to the little red schoolhouse.
Through the snow! In Texas!
By the way, I have a great deal on a bridge in Brooklyn.
Really!
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posted on
04/05/2003 8:49:28 PM PST
by
LibKill
(Nuke Berlin! Better late than never.)
To: Prince Charles
"They are not able to capture the recent warming of the last 50 years"
Oddly enough, neither are the satellite observations, the weather balloons, or the high-confidence ground observations.
It's only when you average in the ground observations that are known to be of lesser reliability that you see a warming trend over the last 50 years.
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posted on
04/05/2003 8:52:12 PM PST
by
jdege
To: Welsh Rabbit
ping for later
To: Leo Carpathian
Who are you calling stupid. And why the heck are you posting to me? I think you have the wrong person.
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posted on
04/05/2003 8:58:30 PM PST
by
Captain Beyond
(The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
To: Buckhead; snopercod
We live among a population of sheep, driven from pillar to post by abject mysticism. Without it, there could be no Art Bell show!!!
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:08:46 PM PST
by
SierraWasp
(Media Advisory: Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see!!!)
To: InterceptPoint
This study, like all the rest, will simply be ignored. With the enviro-socialists, the threat may be heat this year, whereas once it was cold. Tomorrow it may be something else yet again. The crisis changes from time to time, but the solution they offer does not, and that is the point to notice.
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:22:59 PM PST
by
thulldud
To: InterceptPoint; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; Grampa Dave; Phil V.; forester
"But unless their zeal is of "Islamic" magnitude, they shouldn't, as a quasi-religious movement, represent a threat to our way of life and standard of living. But, in fact, the environmental movement is a real threat and it is in the political realm, not the religious, that the movement has the ability to affect my life."Tell that to the owners of that ski lodge in Colorado, or the SUV dealer that had much of his inventory firebombed! Tell that to the potato farmers of the Klamath Basin on the OR/CA border.
Tell that to the property owners all over the west that have been unable achieve their investment backed expectations and had their properties made so worthless, they can't even sell them for their "assessed valuation!"
Yes the "NatureNazis" are as fanatical as the "IslamoFacists" and it is a religion all mixed up with political motivation that wants to supress us all to the lowest common denominator.
Don't forget, Mr. Gorbechev has established the International Green Cross, with world headquarters on the Presidio, in San Francisco... The same city that gave us the UN (useless nuisance)!!!
The fact that the Greens in Germany forced their nations leader to turn on the United States, along with France over our leader's wise distain of the Kyoto Treaty is evidence of the zealots, both religious and political tendencies.
Remember Hans Blix stated that he was a whole lot more worried about the impending disaster of global warming than he was about any weapons of mass distruction in Iraq. These dorks are really "True Believers" and need some kind of weapon of mass instruction imposed on them, before they effect all our lives and fortunes, not just yours!!!
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:29:29 PM PST
by
SierraWasp
(Media Advisory: Don't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see!!!)
To: thulldud
The crisis changes from time to time, but the solution they offer does not, and that is the point to notice. Exactly.
To: thulldud
I agree. Notice that the solution always involves neutering the power of the United States.
To: InterceptPoint
OH.... I get it... Finally.... that is it. Thank you. I haven't been able to tell what the core outcome was for these enviro whack jobs... that is the piece that has been missing. WOW.
To: All
ah...HAH! I KNEW it!!!
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:41:27 PM PST
by
NordP
(Did you see what Saddam did with his nerve agent, to the Beagle puppies? He's dead meat!)
To: Buckhead
Gaia was supposedly a Minoan earth goddess, adopted by a clearly wealthy, and reputedly earth-worshipping and pacifist civilization on Crete. Unfortunately, the popular beliefs about Minoan civilization largely represent the neurotic whimsy of Sir Arthur Evans, the first major excavator at Knossos. Evans was obsessed with proving that Minoan civilization had Aryan origins, and demonstrated a propensity to contort his observations in order to project upon them Druidic beliefs. Current evidence suggests that constantly warring Minoan city-states were overrun by Mycenean Greeks, perhaps after a nearby volcanic eruption. Maybe they had been weakened and their numbers were reduced. They did sometimes eat their children. One thing that we do know: They are no longer with us.
Some Deep Ecologists think that a consequence such as befell the Minoans might not be so bad. Such are adherents to the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement (VHMT, pronounced "vehement") or the Church of Euthanasia (whose central tenets are: Abortion, Sodomy, Cannibalism, and Suicide).
If a belief system has a flawed foundation in logic, a codified structure of beliefs, a hierarchy, icons, a personified supernatural deity, and spiritual rites, then it is equivalent to a religion whether it has a 501(c3) or not. If a religious body of belief starts to direct policy, it is equivalent to an establishment of religion capable of confounding all civic deliberation. Perhaps the only thing that keeps deep ecologists from being sued successfully is that they don't have an office or a bank account.
Source.
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:43:51 PM PST
by
Carry_Okie
(Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
To: Prince Charles
BUMP!
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posted on
04/05/2003 9:45:29 PM PST
by
happygrl
To: SierraWasp
I don't disagree that there is a religious-like zeal in the environmental movement. Of course there is. But to the extent their actions are simply criminal (firebombing the SUV dealer) a rational government would simply deal with them. It is their power to make doing so politically incorrect that we need to be concerned with. When they can firebomb an SUV dealer and have the local newspaper tell us that we have to "understand what motivates these peaceful people" and a police department that looks the other way, then we are all in trouble. Yes, they are zealots, but it is still their political power, particularly their ability to influence the Democratic Party that I personally fear the most.
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