Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[so_real]

so_real said this about Illbay. And as far as I can tell, (s)he doesn't even know Illbay, outside of this thread.Ouch.

Illbay has numerous postings to this thread which have caused me to surmise this. Please do read them all. If I am mistaken, Illbay needs only to tell me as much. Until then, if it doesn't quack like a duck or swim like a duck, it ain't a duck :-) Nothing wrong with that, is there?

[tracer]

I stand corrected!! 8~)

[tracer]

You should be aware that Gumbism is one of the fastest growing religions in the world. It stresses flexibility in all things.

Yours in Gumby,

tracer

[Just mythoughts]

Little touchy and bit pious,

The Massorh, Great and Small are wonderful study tools for modern Christians who do not have the benefit of the Hebrew and Greek language.

The original 16ll King James had a letter to the reader cautioning the readers of disagreements of the translation.

Truth of the Torah should be a part of Christians study, because without either one the whole makes no sense.

Christ Himself taught from the Old Testment and the writers of the New Testment were taught from the Old Testment. Paul probably was the best learned in the Hebrew, Old Testment.

Interesting how you seem to try and take the high ground on part of the picture.

[TopQuark]

When I said it, that was a reference about the discussion on this thread and not prayer. As thousands of ministers prove every day, leading a nondemoninational prayer is not a dilution of Christianity. That's all.

[Wrigley]

He wasn't invited to prosletyze.

Neither are those mormon boys who show up on my doorstep.

[rabidralph]

Wow, Illbay, you're on a roll: making up for all of the perceived muslim-trashing you're so eager to point out on other threads! You, go, dude!

[Alex Murphy]

Illbay has numerous postings to this thread which have caused me to surmise this. Please do read them all. If I am mistaken, Illbay needs only to tell me as much.

I've read them, trust me. I'd like to think Illbay's just having a really bad week. Some would say your conclusions are mistaken, and others would disagree. Chalk it up to Illbay buying his Dr. Dentons at a different store than Sears.

Until then, if it doesn't quack like a duck or swim like a duck, it ain't a duck :-)

Ever think about a career in Meteorology?

[Illbay]

Actually, I was refering to Sauropod's missive to YOU. I included you in my post.

[Illbay]

And you can let them know that. They are very gracious, and used to the word "no."

[JesseShurun]

wonder what a mormon public prayer is? O heavenly self, etc etc etc.. in illbay's name I pray?

[JesseShurun]

I've made you some cookies

[Goodman26]

This is outrageous -- but not surprising, in these pathetic times for Christians.

The article says the preacher was preceded by three rabbis, to whom the Christian majority apparently didn't object. Yet, I imagine if they went over the rabbis words they could find something objectionable -- at the very least the failure to mention Jesus.

[Bella_Bru]

No, no Wrigley. I will say, without a doubt, the Jehovah's Witness' are far worse than any Mormon kid on a bike. The Mormons will take no for an answer, and go away, but the Jheovah's Witness people will just your doorstep or mailbox with their tracts when you tell them no. So, Ilbay, at least the Mormons are better behaved.

[F16Fighter]

"The length of this thread, and the number of people who just continually talk past each other, proves that the time for prayer before legislative sessions should be done away with entirely."

What IS "proven" is the length that some will people go to distort reality and invalidating an American tradition in the name of their own agendae -- that somehow prayer or the evocation of the Deity of our Founding Fathers is suddenly offensive and taboo.

Adams and Madison would be agast at what is transpiring.

[so_real]

Ever think about a career in Meteorology?

I can't see the picture (broken link) at the top of the page :-( But the postings are a riot! Is there a "meteorology underground"? Where do I sign up? :-) Thanks!

[Alex Murphy]

Domini Domini Domini.

I hereby confer, upon the one known as so_real, the honorary title of

FR Meteorologist

including all the powers, rights, authorities, and responsibilities accorded therein.

And may God have mercy upon your soul.

Trust me, you've earned the title! You are now permitted to enter the super-secret Society snack bar at your discretion.

[so_real]

Adams and Madison would be agast at what is transpiring.

Agreed. I wish they were here discuss this with us.

[Nachum]

I greatly respect your position as a righteous gentile. My only obesrvation is that it would probably be proper to ask what the law proscribes in such an event.

I think that it is probably the case that since this country is not a "Jewish" country, halacha does not require one to publicly argue with religious leaders from other faiths.

Matter of fact, there is a great deal of debate amongst Jewish legal authorities whether it is halachly permissable for a non-Jew to worship as a Christian. Unfortunately, on those issues that really matter, such as the defense of Jews in Israel, Jews have halachly erred far more greatly in current action than the public debate over this issue here in America. It is hard for me to get worked up about all this.

[razorbak]

A pastor friend of mine who was to pray at an Arkansas Razorback football game was asked not to use Jesus' name because it would offend the rabbis. He said that would be fine, if, when the rabbi prayed that the rabbi be required to use Jesus name so as not to offend the Christian ministers. They let the pastor pray his usual prayer.

Why Christians are so insistent on Jesus' name:

1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; Phl 2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

GOOD ADVICE FROM A WISE HEBREW OF OLD: Act 5:37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, [even] as many as obeyed him, were dispersed. Act 5:38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: Act 5:39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God. Act 5:40 And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten [them], they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Act 5:41 And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name. Act 5:42 And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.